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09-02-2015, 11:54 AM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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I did a little test to see what happens to the panel seam and the rivets on the inside. Click on the picture to see in detail how well the vulkem seals the rivet even on the inside. I doubt there is a chance of any leaks
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-02-2015, 12:07 PM
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Peter, that's an awesome job you are doing! I think you beat us all when it comes to your skill set!
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09-02-2015, 01:40 PM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dadstoy
Peter, that's an awesome job you are doing! I think you beat us all when it comes to your skill set!
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Very kind, Dean, thank you!
Like many of us, I just make up the lack of some skill with patience and determination.
Right side final:
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-03-2015, 08:08 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
I did a little test to see what happens to the panel seam and the rivets on the inside. Click on the picture to see in detail how well the vulkem seals the rivet even on the inside. I doubt there is a chance of any leaks
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Yep, that should be a non-leaker!
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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09-03-2015, 08:23 AM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
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Join Date: Mar 2014
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Peter...I have resisted, but you have made me do it...
A riveting kit (and de-riveting tool) is on the way from VTS; what have I let myself in for?
First room will be relatively easy - installing the window in the door. At least if I mess up I can replace the door!
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09-03-2015, 11:51 AM
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#146
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
Peter...I have resisted, but you have made me do it...
A riveting kit (and de-riveting tool) is on the way from VTS; what have I let myself in for?
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All sorts of fun and games
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First room will be relatively easy - installing the window in the door. At
least if I mess up I can replace the door!
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I have the same door window task to perform. My 74 came with the same window in the door as was used on the later Classics. It was installed with Olympic rivets so it was definitely a mod that was not done on the regular assembly line. My replacement door came from a 77 or 78 Argosy that was windowless. Like you I really like having a window in the door so I'm moving the window from my old door to the new door.
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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09-03-2015, 12:28 PM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
Peter...I have resisted, but you have made me do it...
A riveting kit (and de-riveting tool) is on the way from VTS; what have I let myself in for?
First room will be relatively easy - installing the window in the door. At least if I mess up I can replace the door!
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Martin, I am proud of you and so will you be, once you succeed.
Just remember to dry hang first and if you don't want to buy the clecos, just use rivets in the place of clecos.
BTW, I use a Bosch jig saw with a very nice metal blade to make cut-out. its very controllable and makes very clean cuts
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-03-2015, 12:31 PM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
All sorts of fun and games
I have the same door window task to perform. My 74 came with the same window in the door as was used on the later Classics. It was installed with Olympic rivets so it was definitely a mod that was not done on the regular assembly line. My replacement door came from a 77 or 78 Argosy that was windowless. Like you I really like having a window in the door so I'm moving the window from my old door to the new door.
Brad
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My 30 amp full service connection sounds better every day, doesn't it Brad?
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-03-2015, 05:06 PM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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here is a breakdown of the cost to replace the three upper rear panels:
300 Rivets, 4 tubes of Vulkem, 3 panels shipped directly from Airstream
$ 1,700.- incl shipping
Time spent 38 hrs x $0.00=$0
Lets compare that to a written estimate from a Pro Airstream shop
Parts: 2,250.-
Labor: 4,600 ( incidentally the hours quoted are 40 !!!!!!!)
Misc Labor/Materials 180.- (replace and RR driving lights)
Total Estimate $ 7,030.-
7,030.- (shops estimate)
less 1,700 (my material cost)
=5,330 divided by 38 (the hours it took me)
=140.27 my unofficial hourly rate to have a lot of fun, share it all with you guys AND do a better job !!!!!!
something to really think about
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-03-2015, 05:16 PM
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Thanks for sharing your work and what it cost as well!
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09-03-2015, 05:44 PM
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Rivet Master
1982 31' Airstream 310
champaign
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Nice analysis. Thanks for taking us along in the process Peter. Whether I ever have the need to do it myself or not doesnt matter, the process is really great to see. We Classic motorhome owners are a stubborn and determined bunch no doubt. Maybe a half a bubble off but thats the folks I like to hang with.
Mike
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09-03-2015, 07:03 PM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Thanks Dean and Mike, over the years I have seen amazing things done by the Motorhome folks and I am proud to be part of this group!
Here are my last pictures on this subject:
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-04-2015, 10:43 PM
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Rivet Master
1936 20' Clipper
1947 22' Liner
Curtis Wright
1989 37' Airstream 370
marshfield
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Join Date: Nov 2009
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Beautiful job!! I've enjoyed following the process. Thanks for sharing.
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09-06-2015, 05:49 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Wildwood
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Fantastic job!! You have some mad skills when it comes to these classic beauties!
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09-06-2015, 06:50 AM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Failure is not an option!
Thanks everyone for the comments! I made an interesting observation:
One can share a project like this "live" or after you succeed, taking pictures and notes on the way.
The live sharing adds an element of elevated skill levels and a more thoughtful process, as in "ok, guys, really pay attention to this detail, it can hurt you down the road"
So, in a way, I credit you as audience in helping me succeed on a superior level.
I did not include the rivet setting/shaving process. You can view some details in an old tutorial of mine from 2002 below.
You may find it interesting that the shaved rivet in the tutorial is the rivet image used next to our names on the forum, just in gold.
REMEMBER NOT TO USE OLYMPIC RIVETS WITH WASHERS, THEY WILL FAIL!!
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f381...tml#post711305
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09-10-2015, 02:52 AM
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3 Rivet Member
Airstream - Other
1986 34.5' Airstream 345
Grefrath/ Germany
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Join Date: Jun 2013
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Riveting
Hey Peter, i just saw the old pictures you posted to explain the Olympic rivets.
CONGRATES to your skills!
It is amazing to see your knowledge about our riveted beauties!!!!
I wish, the "fools" from "Airstream4you" in Germany were at least half that helpfull, then you are!
I am for sure a "good" Airstream re-modeler inside the coaches, i rebuilded my "Bangles" (345classic) in the original colours and design, but without the (massive!) fails from the factory, but i was allways afraid to touch her from outside.
Now i bought all the tools and rivets, i found on german EBAY an old compartmentdoor from a trailer.
It was cutten out with some body panel, so i can try and learn on this piece, before i touch the bidy of "Bangles".
I want to install this door (A formaly Batterie compartment, fully flat!) in the Curbside under the awning, to create an "outside entertainment center", or backwards as an "outside shower" for the dog, after a beachday.
I am still unable to post pictures here, so i could share (proudly!), what i have done inside till today.
Have fun, keep on "Airstreaming"😃😃
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09-12-2015, 02:44 PM
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#157
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Just ran a foot short of the decal I still had from a previous restoration. Had to come up with something to fill the gap...
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-12-2015, 02:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 27' Flying Cloud
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
here is a breakdown of the cost to replace the three upper rear panels:
300 Rivets, 4 tubes of Vulkem, 3 panels shipped directly from Airstream
$ 1,700.- incl shipping
Time spent 38 hrs x $0.00=$0
Lets compare that to a written estimate from a Pro Airstream shop
Parts: 2,250.-
Labor: 4,600 ( incidentally the hours quoted are 40 !!!!!!!)
Misc Labor/Materials 180.- (replace and RR driving lights)
Total Estimate $ 7,030.-
7,030.- (shops estimate)
less 1,700 (my material cost)
=5,330 divided by 38 (the hours it took me)
=140.27 my unofficial hourly rate to have a lot of fun, share it all with you guys AND do a better job !!!!!!
something to really think about
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You did a GREAT job! Looks absolutely perfect! I admire your skills. Well done!
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09-19-2015, 07:44 PM
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#159
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Todays challenge was:
Broken exhaust stud extraction without removing the exhaust manifold
1 broken stud
1 sleeve to guide the left handed drill bit
1 left handed drill bit (to increase the chance of the stud drilling itself out)
The idea is to drill a pilot hole using the sleeve guide to stay on center. Then run the engine until hot and start drilling with the left handed drill bit. In many cases it will pull the broken stud.
The left drill bit did not succeed in removing the broken stud, but an easy out did!! Success!
Can't post pictures ATM, but will later
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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09-19-2015, 08:39 PM
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Rivet Loser
La Ronge
, Saskatchewan
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Well done.... I have failed at that job before, so will be interested to see your method, especially how your sleeve works.
Are you doing anything to stop the new stud from breaking? Is it the rearmost on the right side?
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1989 345LE
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