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Old 12-18-2015, 10:20 AM   #261
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17 minute alternator removal

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If the fan was removed could you bring it out the top?
Thats just cruel after what I went through yesterday replacing the fan clutch

I got it through the top:
1. Unplug motor battery
2. 2 sheetmetal 10 mm hold the bracket for the starter relay and funky cruise control (in my case, check the tin can,,,!!)
3. loosen lower 9/16 bolt first the loosen upper 1/2" adjusting bolt and remove belt
4. unplug plug and 10 mm B+ nut
5. Remove alt.

All from inside where it is warm and the music is playing
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Old 12-18-2015, 10:37 AM   #262
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Thats just cruel after what I went through yesterday replacing the fan clutch

I got it through the top:
1. Unplug motor battery
2. 2 sheetmetal 10 mm hold the bracket for the starter relay and funky cruise control (in my case, check the tin can,,,!!)
3. loosen lower 9/16 bolt first the loosen upper 1/2" adjusting bolt and remove belt
4. unplug plug and 10 mm B+ nut
5. Remove alt.

All from inside where it is warm and the music is playing
Are you saying the solenoid on the bracket on the top/front engine is for the starter, why would you need two solenoids wouldn't the one on the starter suffice?
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:50 AM   #263
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Are you saying the solenoid on the bracket on the top/front engine is for the starter, why would you need two solenoids wouldn't the one on the starter suffice?
this is what Brad said about that subject:
Wires to your starter solenoid should route through that solenoid. This was added as a fix for starter solenoids that weren't working after getting hot. It's outlined in one of the GM bulletins. At some point it became standard installation on all P30s.
right here:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...ml#post1724086

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Old 12-18-2015, 02:38 PM   #264
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I'd say you got that problem whipped! Where did you buy your fan clutch from?



Have you have the alternator tested under load by a repair shop? Not sure they could detect the problem you having but you never know.
had it tested, but they have just 1 way to test it and declared to be working flawlessly. My reply was: what kind of Alternators do you have in stock?
I purchased one , installed it and all problems are gone. its just a 63 amp version, but that will have to do for now.
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Old 12-18-2015, 05:15 PM   #265
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The real test is what does it do when mounted in a vehicle and I think you just found that out. Glad you've got something working for now.

What are your future plans?
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Old 12-18-2015, 05:32 PM   #266
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this is what Brad said about that subject:
Wires to your starter solenoid should route through that solenoid. This was added as a fix for starter solenoids that weren't working after getting hot. It's outlined in one of the GM bulletins. At some point it became standard installation on all P30s.
right here:
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Something to keep in mind, this new solenoid does not handle the large cable from the battery to the starter. It only handles the cable that energizes the solenoid that is built into the starter.

Seems like an odd arrangement but that's how GM set it up. If I remember things correctly the problem with hot starts was due to the long undersized wire ran from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid. As the small wire got hot from being close to the exhaust system the resistance went up and the amount of current making it to the starter solenoid was reduced so there wasn't enough current to actually get the solenoid on the starter to engage.

So the ignition switch now energizes the solenoid on top of the valve cover. There is a heavier gauge wire from the battery (or some +12vdc source) to the new solenoid which then goes down to the original solenoid. Larger wire and more current allows the original starter solenoid to engage.

I'll look around for the service bulletin. It's been posted on Airforums before I just don't remember where.

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Old 12-18-2015, 05:34 PM   #267
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What are your future plans?
Actually, I need to reward myself and see if I find a good radio/Gps/Cd that fits in my dash. I am pretty beat up from the last 2 days. I just finished replacing the front brake pads and the rattle is gone. More on that in my next post.
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Old 12-18-2015, 05:43 PM   #268
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Now that I have eliminated some of the front rattle, I am wondering if there are better fitting front brake pads. I always use the blue disk quiet when installing the pads, but they don't always seem to fit tight.
Is the caliper worn or are their higher quality, better fitting pads?
Listen to this short video to hear and see the front pad rattle I am talking about


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Old 12-18-2015, 05:47 PM   #269
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I replaced the old pads (which were fairly new) with these and they fit much tighter. No more rattle
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Peter, I've been looking at a unit like this to fit in the dash of my Argosy.

Single Din GPS radio

I have a 2-din Android radio similar to this that I really like. I also have a 2-din Windows CE radio that I hate! As far as reliability and easy of use the Android unit beats the Windows CE unit hands down.

The single din radios have a pull out screen that handles the GPS and videos and if you install a rear view camera it can display the camera feed.

This particular radio does not include the actual GPS software such as IGO but has the GPS system built in. You need to purchase IGO software separately. There are plenty of other models to chose from that do have the IGO software pre-installed. I just linked to this one as an example of what's available.

As a disclaimer I have not purchased one of the pull out screen radios before so I can't vouch for reliability but I do plan on using one in mine.

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Old 12-18-2015, 05:51 PM   #271
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Listen to this short video to hear and see the front pad rattle I am talking about


Quite a rattle! I'll have to check out the ones on my Argosy once I actually install them
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and the new pads (yes the sound is on!)
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Are the rear pads the same as the front pads
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Are the rear pads the same as the front pads
Good question, John. I tried to verify it but it just says Front. If you go to other sites like rockauto.com , the front pad always say rear as well
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Good Job Peter!
Great to talk to you today!
You ROCK, and I will elaborate over on my thread!

Nice Radio Brad, I like the idea of loosing that brick on the top of the dash for the RVC...
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Something to keep in mind, this new solenoid does not handle the large cable from the battery to the starter. It only handles the cable that energizes the solenoid that is built into the starter.

Seems like an odd arrangement but that's how GM set it up. If I remember things correctly the problem with hot starts was due to the long undersized wire ran from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid. As the small wire got hot from being close to the exhaust system the resistance went up and the amount of current making it to the starter solenoid was reduced so there wasn't enough current to actually get the solenoid on the starter to engage.

So the ignition switch now energizes the solenoid on top of the valve cover. There is a heavier gauge wire from the battery (or some +12vdc source) to the new solenoid which then goes down to the original solenoid. Larger wire and more current allows the original starter solenoid to engage.

I'll look around for the service bulletin. It's been posted on Airforums before I just don't remember where.

Brad
Here's a site that can explain the hot start problem and solution better than I can.

And here's one from airforums.
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Peter, I've been looking at a unit like this to fit in the dash of my Argosy.

Single Din GPS radio

I have a 2-din Android radio similar to this that I really like. I also have a 2-din Windows CE radio that I hate! As far as reliability and easy of use the Android unit beats the Windows CE unit hands down.

The single din radios have a pull out screen that handles the GPS and videos and if you install a rear view camera it can display the camera feed.

This particular radio does not include the actual GPS software such as IGO but has the GPS system built in. You need to purchase IGO software separately. There are plenty of other models to chose from that do have the IGO software pre-installed. I just linked to this one as an example of what's available.

As a disclaimer I have not purchased one of the pull out screen radios before so I can't vouch for reliability but I do plan on using one in mine.

Brad

Got me going on this subject now, Brad
I probably would have room for a 2din since there is a radio and an equalizer currently. Just have to check the room behind the dash.
Why would you prefer an Android system to something like this:
Jensen A/V Receiver w/ DVD-Built-in NAV-Built-in Bluetooth Technology-Sirius-XM Ready-Pandora-USB-HDMI Multi VX7012 - Best Buy
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Got me going on this subject now, Brad
I probably would have room for a 2din since there is a radio and an equalizer currently. Just have to check the room behind the dash.
Why would you prefer an Android system to something like this:
Jensen A/V Receiver w/ DVD-Built-in NAV-Built-in Bluetooth Technology-Sirius-XM Ready-Pandora-USB-HDMI Multi VX7012 - Best Buy
I believe that is an Android system and looks to be a good one so I'd be interested in that one as well

Being name brand would put it towards the top of my list. When I posted the link yesterday I just grabbed the first link that came up. I actually haven't looked at them for a while as I'm not ready to buy. I figured when I actually have the dash back in place then it's time to find the right radio.
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Dang it Peter!

After looking at the Jensen reviews (all positive by the way) and looking around at prices I convinced myself to go ahead and order one!

I found the best price at Amazon for $283 with free shipping. I had a coupon to use so I got it for even less. I think I'll look at this as a Christmas present to myself

Jensen XV7012

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Dang it Peter!

After looking at the Jensen reviews (all positive by the way) and looking around at prices I convinced myself to go ahead and order one!

I found the best price at Amazon for $283 with free shipping. I had a coupon to use so I got it for even less. I think I'll look at this as a Christmas present to myself

Jensen XV7012

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get the one with the little remote camera and be done with that part. Besides, you should install it right away with the dash so you can have tunes and a GPS to find your way around your shop.
I will order one myself, but still trying to find one locally, because I have time this weekend to install it (no patience here)
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