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[slowmover]

The 1/2T would have stopped shorter.

A Dodge Charger shorter still. The Audi/Porsche SUVs shortest of all.

Trailer brakes stop the trailer. If the truck is doing that work then your rig needs to be placed Out-of-Service (legal citation if necessary) until the serious mechanical defects are remedied.

A trailer with ordinary new brakes will help to stop the combined rig SOONER than the truck can stop all by itself. But as those are drum brakes, it’s a race to see which happens soonest: full stop or complete brake fade.

As the one-ton series trucks have the worst braking performance available, good luck.

Were you serious about braking performance that trailer would have anti-lock disc.

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[slowmover]

Originally Posted by dznf0g

....or my Silverado 1500 LTZ with 2064 payload capacity. You have to know how, or know someone who can spec a truck.

Yeah, where are those scale tickets proving you needed that rear axle capacity? Or is it too much proving you can’t spec a vehicle per The Three Pass Scale Method?

[slowmover]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

..just a car....

Which would make the better TV in the first place.

An 1,100-lb TW is easily set up for such. Been there and done that. US, Canada & Mexico. Five adults.

Why “payload” is near meaningless. Load 1100 into the vehicle. Scale it. Where does the weight fall? Equally on all axles? Ha!

You guys are just killin’ it.

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[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by slowmover

The 1/2T would have stopped shorter.

A Dodge Charger shorter still. The Audi/Porsche SUVs shortest of all.

Trailer brakes stop the trailer. If the truck is doing that work then your rig needs to be placed Out-of-Service (legal citation if necessary) until the serious mechanical defects are remedied.

A trailer with ordinary new brakes will help to stop the combined rig SOONER than the truck can stop all by itself. But as those are drum brakes, it’s a race to see which happens soonest: full stop or complete brake fade.

As the one-ton series trucks have the worst braking performance available, good luck.

Were you serious about braking performance that trailer would have anti-lock disc.

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Once again, Slowmover; I am stumped at your comment's...are you pulling any 28' AS with a Dodge Charger?? My point was the larger 3/4T TV provided good control and braking in my situation; I do not believe a shorter, lighter, TV would have fared as well...Hard to understand how your comments are relevant to my real life situation unless you were there...no disrespect intended

[sheriff1]

Originally Posted by gypsydad

Once again, Slowmover; I am stumped at your comment's...are you pulling any 28' AS with a Dodge Charger?? My point was the larger 3/4T TV provided good control and braking in my situation; I do not believe a shorter, lighter, TV would have fared as well...Hard to understand how your comments are relevant to my real life situation unless you were there...no disrespect intended

You are correct,
From sm’s profile:

1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.

2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.

Hensley Arrow. 12-cpm solo, 19-cpm towing (fuel)

Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411

[tjdonahoe]

Originally Posted by jeffmc306

Sorry - you misunderstood the point. No one wants to do the maneuver; Andy was demonstrating the 1500’s front independent suspension handled it better than a 2500 / solid front axle.

I did not misunderstand....I like my solid axle..4x4....it handles very good...and is heavy enough to carry a load...

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Hi, you have to remember that 3/4 and 1 ton trucks, although have larger brakes, they weigh about two thousand pounds [or more] more than a 1/2 ton pick-up. Also for me, the larger trucks sit too high and I don't like the higher center of gravity.

Best information that I could find shows the 3/4 and 1 ton Ford trucks sit about 4"s higher than an F-150.

[out of sight]

Sitting 4" higher is an important safety advantage of a larger tow vehicle as it lets you see above the traffic far into the distance where you cab see a problem developing sooner.

[n2916s]

Everything is a trade off. That 4" giving you a great view also markedly increases the risk of a rollover. My Titan XD is ponderous compared to the first generation Titan half-ton I traded from and a ton heavier...

[RedSHED]

Originally Posted by n2916s

... That 4" giving you a great view also markedly increases the risk of a rollover. ...

This feels like it ought to be right, but we've all had that friend of a friend who felt pretty good about committing to the exotic dancer with the chemical dependency.
The highway loss data institute does track these things (you'll have to navigate to large and very large trucks on your own), and at first glance it doesn't look like there's a huge amount of difference. (I've generally thought that the 350/3500 difference over a 250/2500 is the number used for hauling commercially. Like 15k/year, IIRC, to insure a hot-shotter)
https://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/ins...ss-information

All I'm saying is that it may or may not be true. I don't actually have handy data to know. I'd kind of like that sort of thing to be generally true, at least part of me does.

[out of sight]

Most of the heavy parts of the vehicle (engine, transmission, axles, etc.) are still pretty low. The Airstream hitch load is also low. The center of gravity of a 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton shouldn't change that much as long as you don't put heavy cargo in the bed.

[jeffmc306]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

I did not misunderstand....I like my solid axle..4x4....it handles very good...and is heavy enough to carry a load...

Okay, now I understand: you like your solid axle.

The point I was trying to explain was Andy’s demonstration in the photo. A 1/2 ton with independent front suspension handles an evasive maneuver better (at a faster speed) than a 3/4-1 ton with a solid axle.

Nothing wrong with either. To each their own!

[out of sight]

One thing is certain, if you do manage to get into an accident then you will be in a much better position if you are in a heavier vehicle (sorry about the other car, but the accident was his fault anyway).

[jcl]

Originally Posted by out of sight

Most of the heavy parts of the vehicle (engine, transmission, axles, etc.) are still pretty low. The Airstream hitch load is also low. The center of gravity of a 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton shouldn't change that much as long as you don't put heavy cargo in the bed.

Don't quit your day job.

Two trucks, same trailer, same slalom move. The half ton is travelling faster, and with less body roll.

This was posted earlier, and illustrates the point well.

https://rvlifemag.com/towing-half-to...e-quarter-ton/

[Moflash]

Add some Bilstein 5100 shocks and a rear stabilizer bar and run the slalom with 3/4 ton again.

[out of sight]

Originally Posted by jcl

Don't quit your day job.

Two trucks, same trailer, same slalom move. The half ton is travelling faster, and with less body roll.

This was posted earlier, and illustrates the point well.

https://rvlifemag.com/towing-half-to...e-quarter-ton/

Looking at those pictures you can clearly see the 1/2 ton leaning more that the 3/4 ton. The camera appears to be tilted giving a false impression, but if you look at the distance between the corners of the bumpers and the road you will see the 1/2 ton left side is diving down. All is not as it seems at first glance.

[jcl]

Originally Posted by out of sight

Looking at those pictures you can clearly see the 1/2 ton leaning more that the 3/4 ton. The camera appears to be tilted giving a false impression, but if you look at the distance between the corners of the bumpers and the road you will see the 1/2 ton left side is diving down. All is not as it seems at first glance.

You would be better served by using the trailer as your level line.

How much faster do you think the 1/2 ton was travelling?

[Countryboy59]

Originally Posted by jcl

Don't quit your day job.

Two trucks, same trailer, same slalom move. The half ton is travelling faster, and with less body roll.

This was posted earlier, and illustrates the point well.

https://rvlifemag.com/towing-half-to...e-quarter-ton/

Did either one crash?

[dznf0g]

One can't tell squat from just those two shots:

Camera positioned at different angles.
Rigs at different progression in the turn, relative to the cone
Speed?
Where was the maneuver begun, relative to the cone?
Camera tilt? (as mentioned)
The half ton seems tighter to the cone...was the 3/4 ton under-steering more?

Again, two stills don't tell us anything.

[crispyboy]

Just got back from 4 days of spring break camping in mountains of eastern KY with my family including the dog. We squeeked by once again using a 3/4 ton tow truck. No evasive maneuvers to avoid rabid squirrels and no roll over of the rig.... Whew!!


On a real life note we did hit one hell of a pothole on I-75. I am really surprised we didn't pop a tire. It shook the whole truck and trailer. The trailer actually sway'd out of alignment with the truck. The Hensley hitch put the trailer back in line