Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-07-2010, 03:16 PM   #481
VAC President
 
Buttercup's Avatar
 
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands , Nevada
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,149
Send a message via Skype™ to Buttercup
Quote:
Originally Posted by racoco View Post
You can't even claim membership to this forum on the WBCCI forums without being censored. I simply used the same "signature" on the WBCCI forums as you see here and it was edited for me by Cortes, who informed me the WBCCI forum TOS does not allow the mention of competing clubs or forums. Oh well.... WBCCI leadership doesn't pay attention in their own forum either, so I guess it doesn't matter.
That is itself funny - there is only one competing forum and it isn't AIR. In fact, Air was the first real forums on Airstreams, anything that came after is actually competition. The WBCCI forums were supposed to be for the WBCCI - a club forums. If it is not that it is news to me.
__________________
Buttercup's Web Site. WBCCI #17330, 11281 & 7830. VAC Past President, TAC NV-2 & NV-3
Buttercup is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 03:58 PM   #482
Contributing Member
 
Pahaska's Avatar
 
2018 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Austin (Hays County) , Texas
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,000
Images: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
I got my 2010 WBCCI Membership Directory in the mail today. I counted 16 fewer pages of member listings than the 2009 Directory. I'm stunned. Did I count wrong? If each page averages about 55 member listings per page then 2010 has about 880 fewer members. Does anyone know what the numbers actually are?
From a letter from Cindy Reed at WBCCI headquarters:

Each year headquarters sends out a letter to all members who have not paid their dues. This letter also includes a request that the member let us know why they did not renew. Following is the response received this year:
Letters mailed to 1,140 members
Received 239 responses (21%)
59 renewed
69 Airstream sold
20 Age or health
8 Death of spouse
4 Unhappy with club
1 Will rejoin later
3 No comment
13 Lifestyle, economy, time
8 No notice from unit
18 Pd unit; not sent to headquarters
36 Mail returned

According to this, we have certainly lost something in the realm of 1000 members.
__________________
John W. Irwin
2018 Interstate GT, "Sabre-Dog V"
WBCCI #9632
Pahaska is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 04:23 PM   #483
Rivet Master
 
byamcaravanner's Avatar
 
1967 28' Ambassador
1963 19' Globetrotter
1970 29' Ambassador
Waukesha , Wisconsin
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65GT View Post
What petty dung, huh?
Right... funny how when I posted the accurate caravan costs after someone posted low-ball numbers I was told I was being petty and my post was deleted.

Seems on the WBCCI forum, petty is in the eye of the beholder.
__________________
Steve & the crew
'70 Ambassador International Twin
'63 19' Globetrotter TAC WI-1
https://byamcaravanner.blogspot.com/
byamcaravanner is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 04:27 PM   #484
3 Rivet Member
 
mistermike's Avatar
 
1968 17' Caravel
Marblehead , Hasslechusetts
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahaska View Post
Each year headquarters sends out a letter to all members who have not paid their dues. .....Letters mailed to 1,140 members
1,140 members are a lot to lose. I am assuming that these are members that did not "re-up" in 2009. It would be good to know a total to put this in the proper perspective. Can anyone come up with the figure?

Just for interest does anyone have the total number of members in the WBCCI over the last several years? What was it at its peak? When would that have been?

MisterMike
mistermike is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 04:28 PM   #485
Rivet Master
 
SilverRanger's Avatar
 
2005 19' Safari
1968 24' Tradewind
Rural , Delaware
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,476
Thumbs up

"PS. I'm bringing the mother of all pototo cannons."

Propane or hair spray?
__________________
2005 Bambi
1968 Trade Wind
2007 Ford F250 4x4 Crew
WDCU
SilverRanger is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 04:36 PM   #486
Rivet Master
 
RickDavis's Avatar

 
1961 24' Tradewind
1969 29' Ambassador
1970 21' Globetrotter
Jamestown , Tennessee
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,782
Quote:
Originally Posted by mistermike View Post

Just for interest does anyone have the total number of members in the WBCCI over the last several years? What was it at its peak? When would that have been?

MisterMike
I don't know the membership numbers, and of course some of the losses will be offset by new members.

I do know that when I attended my first International Rally in Bozeman there were over 3900 trailers.(1973)
At the last International in Bozeman (2008) There were about 800.
A loss of close to 80% when there are more trailers on the road now.
Is there a message in there somewhere??
__________________
Rick Davis 1602 K8DOC
61 tradewind, plus a few others
13 Ram 2500 TD
99 Dodge TD 577K miles

RickDavis is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 04:44 PM   #487
Restorations done right
Commercial Member
 
Frank's Trailer Works's Avatar
 
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore , Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by mistermike View Post
1,140 members are a lot to lose. I am assuming that these are members that did not "re-up" in 2009.
MisterMike
Think of the upside: of those 1140 members, 59 were reminded to renew. So if you were to actually look at that in a positive manor it was only 1081.

1081 is a lot less than 1140
Frank's Trailer Works is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 04:56 PM   #488
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickDavis View Post
I don't know the membership numbers, and of course some of the losses will be offset by new members.

I do know that when I attended my first International Rally in Bozeman there were over 3900 trailers.(1973)
At the last International in Bozeman (2008) There were about 800.
A loss of close to 80% when there are more trailers on the road now.
Is there a message in there somewhere??
Rick.

It's not the price of gasoline.

Back in the early 70's, when the gasoline prices were going up and up, the club did a survey.

The question was, "How much would you be willing to pay for gasoline, so that you could still attend the national rally?"

The answer was $5.00 (five dollars) per gallon. That was a surprise to many people.

So, the price of gasoline today, is not the answer.

I am not sure there is a single answer, but I am sure that all to many members, are "very" unhappy with the club.

This past February, the Hobo rally had right at 60 coaches, instead of the usual 300 or so.

Oh me.

Andy
Inland RV Center, In is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 05:59 PM   #489
1 Rivet Member
 
1974 23' Safari
Phoenix , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 13
Rob- I quit two years ago for many of the same reasons. Good luck with any and all new endevours and I support your decision.
Marv
Rusty9 is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 06:39 PM   #490
AIR #8691
 
2006 25' Safari SS SE
Northern , Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 381
If WBCCI loses 10% membership in year one, it takes a 11% gain in year two to get back to year one’s total
If they lose another 10% in year two it will take a 23% gain in year three to get back to year one’s total.
And if they lose another 10% in year three it will take a 37% gain in year four to get back to year one’s total.

Not hard to understand a trend and the difficulty of reversing such a negative trend in this example.

So what are the WBCCI captains going to do? “Maintain course and speed.” “Damn to torpedoes” “Steady as she goes (down)”
What will the crew do: “Abandon ship” and “Any port in a storm.”
JStanley is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 08:11 PM   #491
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,049
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverbear View Post
This is one of my favorite Tee's

Maybe we could ask our forum artist "ArtStream" to do a flag like this.

This is one of my favorite shirts. Leo designed it. I have worn mine. I think it's very cool. Was that in time for the name change vote in Salem Oregon Leo? I think so I think that was in answer to who is Wally Byam and in reply to the rationale that leadership was tired of telling others who Wally was or what the WBCCI was and stood for so that is why we needed an easier name to be identified with.

Membership seems to fall off directly because of the leadership and their initiatives each year. It's rather perplexing that they think these ideas will bring more members and more money to the club and yet they drive away loyal members. I think listening to membership and serving them rather than writing up motions for dues increases and in the rationale expecting and accepting to drive away 100 good members because of raising the dues and not caring about them but moreso wanting to get more money out of the members that can still afford to remain is simply the WRONG course of action. Sacrifice a meal ... not members!! Cut the spending and the fat.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	catinhat.jpg
Views:	81
Size:	97.9 KB
ID:	93732  
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 09:56 PM   #492
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,049
Ah yes the menacing clown, my favorite...not.

Well with the way the current trend is going, you may have to start a full fledge campaign to recruit supporters and retain members to Save Wally in 2010!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	SWMaterials.jpg
Views:	78
Size:	114.2 KB
ID:	93738  
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 10:10 PM   #493
Rivet Master
 
munimula's Avatar

 
1993 34' Excella
1962 16' Bambi
New Haven , Connecticut
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 598
Images: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheel interested View Post
Ah yes the menacing clown, my favorite...not.
Funny you should mention 'menacing clown'. that was Leo's costume at the Metro NY Boo Rally in 2009. Quite scary I might add.
__________________
Morrison's Airstream Page
munimula is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 10:12 PM   #494
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,049
Leo's a very scary individual. Got pictures?????
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 10:21 PM   #495
Rivet Master
 
robandzoe's Avatar
 
1958 30' Sovereign of the Road
Plymouth , New York
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,776
Images: 19
Send a message via Skype™ to robandzoe
Lots

Quote:
Originally Posted by mistral blue View Post
I've got extra WBCCI fives, threes and nines kaffe. I'm thinking about just putting the #3 on the front and rear of my Argosy. Nothing is there now. It's the number I wore throughout my schooldaze.

You don't have to be a member of WBCCI to put red, white or even blue numbers on YOUR trailer. You can put on, or take off, anything your heart desires.

Shoot me a PM with your address and I'll send them through the mail.

P.S. I love your signature line.
I've got lots and lots of the numbers 2, 8, and 0... I ordered for like 5 trailers....
__________________
Rob, Zoe', Stanton, Bryce, Braedon and Finn Baker
Do you Listen to the www.theVAP.com
Plymouth, NY 13832
https://bakersacresofchenango.blogspot.com/
Courtesy parking
Flag Pole Holders - https://robsflagpoleholders.blogspot.com/

robandzoe is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 10:29 PM   #496
Rivet Master
 
munimula's Avatar

 
1993 34' Excella
1962 16' Bambi
New Haven , Connecticut
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 598
Images: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by robandzoe View Post
I've got lots and lots of the numbers 2, 8, and 0... I ordered for like 5 trailers....
I'll take 'em Rob as I asked the club for your old number. just kidding...i got Frank's.
__________________
Morrison's Airstream Page
munimula is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 10:30 PM   #497
VAC President
 
Buttercup's Avatar
 
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands , Nevada
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,149
Send a message via Skype™ to Buttercup
HA! Carol - Funny, I still have VOTE NO buttons if anybody wants any!!! FREE (just pay postage).
__________________
Buttercup's Web Site. WBCCI #17330, 11281 & 7830. VAC Past President, TAC NV-2 & NV-3
Buttercup is offline  
Old 01-07-2010, 10:45 PM   #498
Rivet Master
 
wheel interested's Avatar
 
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer , Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,049
I am holding onto my stickers and buttons and waiting to make a mint on selling them on e-bay, when you all are famous in the next decade or so.I guess that will be sometime after they drop the prefex from imfamous.
__________________
Caroljb



photography
wheel interested is offline  
Old 01-08-2010, 03:47 AM   #499
Restorations done right
Commercial Member
 
Frank's Trailer Works's Avatar
 
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore , Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,545
Images: 2
Funny reflection on this entire experience...
Those people I viewed as family (my former Unit) have with exception of one not reached out to me at all. Just one, "hey Frank, sorry to see you go. We will always camp together, club or no club."I was shocked by that. I had the false pretense that they all valued my participation in the activities of the Unit. Oddly enough, one has even mocked me and the choice I made. However on the flip side, so many total strangers have reached out. The PM's have been very touching from people I have not known before. I thought it would be the other way around. I have learned a great deal from all of this.

I also find it interesting how many use that Wally ecomotion. I guess by hitting that button you are speaking and traveling with the spirit of Mr Byam himself.
Frank's Trailer Works is offline  
Old 01-08-2010, 04:36 AM   #500
3 Rivet Member
 
mistermike's Avatar
 
1968 17' Caravel
Marblehead , Hasslechusetts
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander View Post
Funny reflection on this entire experience...
Those people I viewed as family (my former Unit) have with exception of one not reached out to me at all.
I am sorry that you are experiencing this. It often comes with doing what you believe to be right despite what others may think. It's hard to explain how people you thought were friends can react. I mean, geez, it's not like you are a child molester or something like that.

Just wait until one of them needs something repaired and you are the only one around who can do it.

What goes around comes around.

Always remember: Illegitimi non carborundum

MrMike
mistermike is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
greg gibson, vintage-airstream.com


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Satellite TV/Good bye sour grapes Lumatic Computers, Internet & Satellite 33 04-16-2009 12:27 PM
with a screach and burning rubber, it's bye bye belt !!! kepko Furnaces, Heaters, Fireplaces & Air Conditioning 4 09-06-2008 02:34 PM
Good-Bye To My Best Friend Chaplain Kent The Pet Forum 39 12-28-2005 05:14 PM
Good bye and thanks Ronnie..... Silvertwinkie Off Topic Forum 8 06-06-2004 05:46 PM
Bye bye Miss American Pie Rog0525 Our Community 4 04-13-2003 10:18 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.