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Old 01-11-2010, 01:48 PM   #561
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Looks like my parent's age group and my local unit.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:03 PM   #562
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How old is that photo?

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I took that in Perry at the Mid-Winter IBT meeting in January of 2007. The women dressed alike in matching blazers are the first ladies of the highest officers. The raise of hand vote is regarding allowing non-Airstream motorhomes into the club.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:12 PM   #563
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Somebody needs to do some adjustment on herhis photographic equipment/software. The Exif data on the pic from the meeting indicates that it was taken on 11-22-2008.
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I believe the date you see is when i copied a copy to desktop to find easily for upload this is the exif of creation. I could supply the original but I would want more for my trouble than your approval.
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A few pictures of the Florida State Rally opening Ceremonies 2005.
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:32 PM   #566
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wow. The stands look packed. What enthusiasm!
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:32 PM   #567
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do you notice how empty the auditoriums are in all those photos? Wapping turn out there. Must be what people want to spend their time doing...
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Old 01-11-2010, 06:45 PM   #568
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The times they are a changing...

At least they should be! Maybe if they just charge the last standing elite $1,000.00 each for lifetime memberships they can have a really good party in parting. And the festivus for the rest of us can hold onto our change and make our own merriment complete with outdoor activities such as outdoor parades and bonfires and loud music in outdoor tents with...you guessed it...beer! or wine. No gospel or barbershop quartets, not that they are not fine but let's cut loose and dance.
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That picture is enough to scare off any young potential members.
All these pictures are of people as old as me and I don't spend a lot of time with such dull looking people and wouldn't want to. Last time I saw people like that was when we visited my wife's grandmother (she's 100) in a rehab facility and old age home. Grandma has more energy than this group. Do they have an ambulance standing by at these meetings?

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Old 01-11-2010, 07:00 PM   #570
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Florida State Rally

Man after looking at those photos, I'm not so sure I want to go now, I was sort of looking forward to that rally to warm up but I'm not up to the flag parade again.........

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Old 01-11-2010, 07:09 PM   #571
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The Florida State rally was fun. I went twice but I did leave the flag ceremony right away after the pictures as did Rich Luhr. In fact I won at the raffle but we had left after 30-45 minutes of special awards after dinner and I just missed out because you have to be in person to win and little Emma could only take so much. Well, we said it was because little Emma could only take so much, lol! Basically we were all in agreement. Gotta make your own fun. The scheduled activities are not popular among the under 70 set, I think.

The Flywheelers and the Tin Can Tourists were also there in different locations and that was fun to go to. The Bullpen is on pavement in the parking lot as was the vintage area next to the street unless they have moved it.

I didn't go to the beach but to Hunter's List party and to see the Lipizzaner Stallions perform. They were great!
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Carol , you must be tougher than I am. I went to opening ceremonies at the International one time and have never gone to another one.
We enjoy the Florida state rally.. The secret is to show up about the time the drawing starts, get the free ice cream and go back to the trailer.

Vintage has not been parked outside the fence now for several years.
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We were members of WBCCI for only one yr. I just now looked at their forum. I noticed that they had listed as 67 as the most they had ever had online at one time. Airforums lists that the most they ever had was 2746(?) or close to that number. That is a sad fact. Maybe one day soon they will make it to the endangered specie list.
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Which time? She was told to stand down twice actually! She was simply 2nd'ing Forrest McClure's motion with respect to the name change issue.


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Tim what was the context of Franklin telling Kimberly to stand down? Was she speaking? I have heard them say that at the IBT Mid-Winter meetings while they confer with one another over some point. I was very surprised to hear such militaristic speaking. In fact the entire experience was like nothing I could have imagined, like a tribunal, perhaps.
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Seems obvious to me that the WBCCI serves the needs of the post WWII, Korean War generation who place a high emphasis on fraternal lodge style organizations like the Elks, the Lions, the Shriners and so forth. These organizations are all about conformity, uniformity, rules and regulations, structure, process and procedure and protocol. They have these ceremonies where they wear all the same jackets and hats and wave around the flag and so forth. There are many of these style organizations but they in large do not appeal to the majority of generations which followed. I'm not really sure that the WBCCI even mirrors the views of Wally Byam. Maybe they do. The organization serves the needs of this generation however, and is unlikely to change until the members leave or drop off due to attrition. So new organizations need to form to address the needs of the boomers and those who follow. Will that be the Tin Can Tourists, Air Forum Rally's or some other structure is hard to tell but trying to "Save Wally" by revolutionizing the WBCCI will not work. So the emphasis now should be on new organization models that meet the new customers and existing customers who do not fit the fraternal lodge model. So, don't reform it, just focus on new structures that fit. That's my two cents worth.
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Seems obvious to me that the WBCCI serves the needs of the post WWII, Korean War generation who place a high emphasis on fraternal lodge style organizations like the Elks, the Lions, the Shriners and so forth. These organizations are all about conformity, uniformity, rules and regulations, structure, process and procedure and protocol. They have these ceremonies where they wear all the same jackets and hats and wave around the flag and so forth. There are many of these style organizations but they in large do not appeal to the majority of generations which followed. I'm not really sure that the WBCCI even mirrors the views of Wally Byam. Maybe they do. The organization serves the needs of this generation however, and is unlikely to change until the members leave or drop off due to attrition. So new organizations need to form to address the needs of the boomers and those who follow. Will that be the Tin Can Tourists, Air Forum Rally's or some other structure is hard to tell but trying to "Save Wally" by revolutionizing the WBCCI will not work. So the emphasis now should be on new organization models that meet the new customers and existing customers who do not fit the fraternal lodge model. So, don't reform it, just focus on new structures that fit. That's my two cents worth.
You some good points. The main theme for WWII was survival. The group was the process. Few of these folks are around and fewer still active in the leadership. The motives of those in charge can not be easily equated to the practical motives of the founders....
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Follow the money. The International organization, and the way they are running it, satisfies their needs. The volunteers need to feel needed. The many committees and chairmen, with the work that they produce is rewarding to them. The work they produce mainly benefits those who avail themselves of these national benefits ie. national caravans and International Rallies. The free two weeks camping, provided before the international, is their additional personal reward. The non-volunteers pay for it in higher rally fees, which seems fair. If you do not contribute labor, you should pay a higher price.

The members who set on the IBT and the EC7 have put in 7 years to 14 years in lower office contributing their time to the club. I am not sure they should get completely free travel.

From their actions (and distinctive clothing) they do seem to be the type that like to stand out as "someone special". Due to the seniority way of obtaining high office within the club, they all seem to be older than the majority of the regular membership and are out of syn with the times. The nominating committee, and all the rules, make it very difficult for the regular membership to have any major impact on getting the club turned around.

I am not sure that the leadership has any mails in their way of operating. Their poor performance is more than likely just their inability understand the changing times and the new way the club needs to operate, if it is to survive, or it just may be their inability to change.
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My grandparents are of the WWII era, growing up during the Great Depression. They rationed absolutely everything. When I was a kid, we'd go over to their house for Sunday breakfast. We were only allowed one piece of bacon, one piece of toast and a half a glass of orange juice with our eggs. You didn't dare ask for more, or you got the lecture. Hell, I remember my grandfather smoking half of his cigar, putting it out and saving it for later.

My grandparents lived in the same rowhome from 1946 until 2001, and the only reason they moved was because the neighborhood had totally gone to hell; the people two doors down had a meth lab going and the house caught fire, nearly burning down the entire row. My aunt and uncle pretty much packed all their stuff up for them and forced them to buy a new house...my grandparents paid cash for it, by the way.

All of my grandparents' friends were the same way too. I always had to listen to the, "You don't know how good you have it. When I was a kid, we had nothing" speech.

My point to all of this is that you would think that, if the IBT folks are indeed of the WWII era, they'd be able to manage money better and not be so wasteful. Then again, since they're in the twilight of their lives, maybe they're just saying, "Screw it, let's make the most of it and forget everyone else".
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Stingray -- extremely good point(s).

Anyone know where the bio's for all the leadership can be found? I don't keep old Blue Beret's around. And not even sure where to find info on Region leaders.
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For the leadership to have been affected directly by the Great Depression they would be in their mid 80's or older. As old as that group looks, I don't think there are too many 80+ year olds there. They are more likely vets from the Korean War and Vietnam who may be career military for the most part and reflect it in their style of governance and social views. The military has never been known for good budgeting.

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