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Shacksman · 05-28-2011, 05:40 PM

If Paul can have his motorhome I want mine in the club. But where do I put the red numbers?

**Kevin245** · 05-28-2011, 06:04 PM

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LI Pets · 06-03-2011, 08:55 AM

Major announcement forth coming today.

Stay tuned.

Nuvite-F · 06-03-2011, 09:33 AM

Just received an email that the IP had decided to withdraw his motion to revise the constitution this year.

Kinda give you deja vu all over again, doesn't it?
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RickDavis · 06-03-2011, 09:52 AM

If true, sounds like a re run of Forrest's amendment at the mid winters.
Considering the amount of work done by the committee and many units it would seem that it would be better to let it run it's course regardless of the outcome.

Will be eagerly? waiting for the big announcement.

Nuvite-F · 06-03-2011, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RickDavis

Considering the amount of work done by the committee and many units it would seem that it would be better to let it run it's course regardless of the outcome.

That's my feeling too--better to get it over with--but I suspect they could count the votes and found it was DOA, so withdrew it.
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eubank · 06-03-2011, 10:19 AM

Just a friendly reminder to abide by the "be nice" rule, or face the consequences.

Lynn

rideair · 06-03-2011, 10:33 AM

Lynn,

Thanks for the reminder on the "be nice" rule.

It will be very hard for some not to post youtube links, comments, etc... about this outcome from both sides. Many will be bitting their lips wanting to do so for days/weeks.

Is there any chance we could get the "Mod's" to take a vacation for a week or two?

eubank · 06-03-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rideair

It will be very hard for some not to post youtube links, comments, etc... about this outcome from both sides. Many will be bitting their lips wanting to do so for days/weeks.

Videos can also violate the "be nice" rule!

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Is there any chance we could get the "Mod's" to take a vacation for a week or two?

Only if we close the WBCCI theads in advance!

Lynn

**Janet H** · 06-03-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rideair

Lynn,

Thanks for the reminder on the "be nice" rule.

It will be very hard for some not to post youtube links, comments, etc... about this outcome from both sides. Many will be bitting their lips wanting to do so for days/weeks.

Is there any chance we could get the "Mod's" to take a vacation for a week or two?

It is possible to express disagreement without name calling. Our intent here is to keep discussions polite and on topic - not to stop them entirely

LI Pets · 06-03-2011, 10:41 AM

Friends

I have received sufficient feedback from some of you and from individual members at rallies which makes it necessary for me to markedly change the processing of the proposed Constitutional Revision. It is currently on the agenda for the Delegates' Meeting, June 30, at the International Convention/Rally. Only one month has passed since the proposed Constitutional Revision was distributed to our Units. In retrospect, it was unreasonable to expect all Units to have scheduled business meetings, understand the Proposal, and vote on each of the Articles. Due to the pressures of time, the Executive Committee established an unrealistic schedule for our Units. It was an easy trap to fall into, with only one Delegates' Meeting each year. Nevertheless, if revising the Club Constitution is worth doing, it is worth doing well.

I profoundly appreciate the work done by the Revision Committee. This Committee of Five has much time invested in the Proposal during the prior ten months. I sincerely value the alternative ideas as well, some of which have been expressed to me very passionately. Throughout the Membership there is much concern for the future of our Club. If nothing else, work done so far now has members (who are interested in Club governance) talking about what we want for a Constitution.

My judgement is that the membership is not prepared to make decisions at this time, and that they want an additional year for consideration. Therefore, I will not make the motion concerning the proposed Revision during the next Delegates' Meeting. Barry Heckenswiler has indicated that he will place the proposal on the 2012 Delegates' agenda so that members' discussions can continue. My intention is to solicit discussion at a Delegates' Seminar. Those Units who do have prepared amendments to the proposed Revision are encouraged to present them. Other members with ideas and comments may present those as well. This will provide all members with additional material for discussion without the formality of a business meeting.

Warm Regards

Norm Beu
President, WBCCI

RickDavis · 06-03-2011, 12:39 PM

It seems everyone is speechless

eubank · 06-03-2011, 12:42 PM

Speechless is ok. It does not violate the forums "be nice" rule.

Lynn

wheel interested · 06-03-2011, 12:55 PM

Hot air rises faster, but it also deflates faster. And P O O F ...the elephant in the room is gone.

YouTube - ‪Deflating Hot Air Balloon - Pink Elephant‬‏

LI Pets · 06-03-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RickDavis

It seems everyone is speechless

Very disappointing

We could have gone thru all the amendments and lost the overall vote.

Then it would have gone to next year anyway.

Well at least we know the MOHO amendment can't move at all.

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rideair · 06-03-2011, 02:26 PM

I do hope the future IP Barry H. knows this whole New Constitution has created a bunch of hard feelings in the WBCCI membership and has put member against member, Unit against Unit, Region against Region and even EC member against EC member.

If we have another year of this, it's a pretty good bet you will have even more members leave the WBCCI. I wonder how many of those that said they would leave if this thing was not passed this year will do so.

This also brings up the subject of the whole "Defend Wally" bunch and the lawsuit. If I remember, the lawsuit was dropped because of the leader of that group being put on the committee to work within the system. We now have the very same person whom created this committee, asked the "DW" guy to be on the committee to now as the last minute drop the whole thing. There are some that would say this was planned and once again the IBT/EC7 out smarted everyone.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens now with the "DW" Lawsuit.

One would thing it would be back on, but I doubt anyone could ever get anybody to give cash to it this time around.

Time will tell,

wheel interested · 06-03-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rideair

This also brings up the subject of the whole "Defend Wally" bunch and the lawsuit. If I remember, the lawsuit was dropped because of the leader of that group being put on the committee to work within the system. We now have the very same person whom created this committee, asked the "DW" guy to be on the committee to now as the last minute drop the whole thing. There are some that would say this was planned and once again the IBT/EC7 out smarted everyone.

Regardless, it will be interesting to see what happens now with the "DW" Lawsuit.

One would thing it would be back on, but I doubt anyone could ever get anybody to give cash to it this time around.

Time will tell,

Maybe that's the reason Defend Wally decided to hold back 40% of donations in escrow, it never was revealed; in case the outcome was not favorable and they could then continue the suit if deemed necessary. I think that is what was said at the onset. We should hear a determination from those involved to announce whether the outcome of their efforts is considered favorable or not and why, and where they intend to take the DW lead from here. But then Bob said last week Norm would not withdraw the motion in post #981 and he was either wrong or holding back on what he knew.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...-73954-71.html

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Originally Posted by wheel interested

Are you saying that the International President could now scrap the entire thing? I thought that was not a viable option from your many previous statements when that possibility was mentioned.

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Originally Posted by LI Pets

Sure he can but he won't.

RickDavis · 06-03-2011, 02:45 PM

Being a slow learner, I would consider contributing again if it appeared a viable option

wheel interested · 06-03-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RickDavis

Being a slow learner, I would consider contributing again if it appeared a viable option

HA! It might be time to rotate who takes the lead in DW then! Come to think about it I don't recall having a vote the first time around. There is a reason why a representative and deliberative body makes good sense for representation. Anyone else change their views in this past year of practical experience? I have. Always learning.