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Old 05-27-2011, 05:58 PM   #1041
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Paul,

I don't want to get you too excited but, have you seen the IBT June meeting schedule? Specifically pages 10 , 38 & 39.

Sure makes one wonder.




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Old 05-27-2011, 08:32 PM   #1042
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Again, "Thank You" for saying the truth. So by passing the New Constitution it does not save the club 17K a year (as some would "lead us to believe" based on "their opinion") it does.

And since the number of Regions (as written) is in control of the IBT in the New Constitution, there's nothing to say they will/won't reduce the number to five (once again as some would "lead us to believe" they will "based on their opinion") or it could be something they slowly put in place over a few year period. At this point, no one really knows what/when the IBT "may" decide to do something in regards to the number of Regions.

For someone to go out and speak as if this is happening especially since they are a Revision Committee member and it's all "based on their opinion" and not what is actually in the document, if people knew about this they might think is was a little "deceptive" on the Revision Committees part.

Just want to make sure the correct information is out there!
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I am sorry, but I am not sure who you are referring. Regardless, there are significant savings built into the revision, e.g., elimination of the 3rd VP position, the need to realign and adjust the number of Regions/Areas if Article XII is adopted as written and a number of other significant provision. For example allowing for electronic meetings instead of paying officers to travel to a meeting location. All of these will lead to significant savings to the club. So to imply there are no savings is incorrect as there are.

As the document is considered and amended by the Delegates I can imagine there will be additional savings as the bureaucracy is slimmed down.

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Old 05-27-2011, 08:43 PM   #1043
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They ought to just withdraw this revised constitution now while they have the chance. Add this misguided effort to the THOR Motorhomes misguided effort and you've got enough there to drop the club another 3K members in the hole for 2012.
...it is the majority opinion of this committee that we recommend a motion before the Delegates as follows:

WBCCI Constitution, Article VI, Qualifications of Members, Section 1 to read:
"An Adult who owns a hard-sided recreational vehicle manufactured by Airstream, Inc., or a Class A motor home manufactured by Thor Industries, Inc. shall be eligible for membership."
Are you going to park up cozy to a THOR Class A? Are you going to allow the current self-important mind meld to bring SHEMP into the suit and tie fold, sitting in a THOR Class A looking down on you, dictating WBCCI policies and changes? What is it with these special committees and their Mad Hatter OUTPUT?

Sure there was a dissenting voice or two, but in the end they ALL DRINK THE KOOL-AID, they do what floats their own boat in a committee and they simply don't care the actual real-world effect of their amateur actions. Between these two, the boat might float, in a fully drained lake!

Once again they mention 400+ current class A's but where have these lock-steppers produced ANY DATA signifying that ANY PORTION of that 400+'rs needs or even wants a THOR Class A solution? Where are THOSE NUMBERS? 3 SOB MoHo committees and each one has failed the same test -- the burden of PROOF.

This is EXACTLY what these committees keep doing to this membership. Throwing garbage out there, hoping it will stick to the wall.

Where and when has REAL RELEVANT DATA been provided to the membership that proves out their desired amendments? Is there an engineer in the house that has ever heard of a Design of Experiment? A Statistically Designed and Analyzed POLL?

Time and time again this membership is fed pure manure for proposed amendments and each and every time EC7 committees fail at the burden of proof to justify their recommendations.

You know what the WBCCI deserves? To let this revised constitution AND the THOR motorhomes proposed amendments to BOTH pass as-is, this year. Screw the club DEATH SPIRAL -- club members should just settle for a DEATH BY FREE FALL instead. Get it over and be done with it.

How much would George have to change his message to make it fully apply to the WBCCI governance? Exactly how many words would have to be modified here? Not all that many -- surely an order of magnitude less than what this revision committee did to the club's current constitution...



Optimist huh? Check your pulse and get back to me...

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Please do not insult our intelligence by attempting to tie MH issue to the constitutional revision. The revision committee has nothingto do with this proposal and the implication in your post that there is some connection is truly and insult to the readers of this thread. If you are so concerned about the report to be presented to the IBT start another thread, but don't try and taint this one with your venom. My apologies to the moderator, but this is really to much.

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Tom,

Regarding the electronic meetings, do you envision the elimination of the Mid Winter meeting, some of the meetings at the International Rally, the annual budget meeting in Jackson Center or some other meeting(s)?

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I am sorry, but I am not sure who you are referring. Regardless, there are significant savings built into the revision, e.g., elimination of the 3rd VP position, the need to realign and adjust the number of Regions/Areas if Article XII is adopted as written and a number of other significant provision. For example allowing for electronic meetings instead of paying officers to travel to a meeting location. All of these will lead to significant savings to the club. So to imply there are no savings is incorrect as there are.

As the document is considered and amended by the Delegates I can imagine there will be additional savings as the bureaucracy is slimmed down.

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Old 05-27-2011, 08:45 PM   #1045
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Bring on the Motorhomes!

TWaugh,

No excitement about that information on my part, in fact, just the opposite.

As you well know, there have been members of the special committee formed by Norm B. called the “Revision Committee” and some of it’s supporters have called me many names like, naysayer, troublemaker, that I didn’t care about the WBCCI, etc… with that said, I had decided I would embrace the next Special Committee’s recommendations whatever it might be (in this case the MOHO Committee’s report) in an effort to show everyone that I’m not just a trouble maker, not a naysayer or someone that is just trying to give people a hard time. I have decided I will “FULLY SUPPORT” the inclusion of any THOR motor home and ask that current amendment they suggested be changed to include “Any Manufacturer” of motor homes since I may someday soon buy a “Prevost” motorcoach.

If we are trying to save the club, we must not go about it half heartedly.

Maybe by supporting this change, I will prove to those on the Revision Committee that I (like them) are looking out for the best interest of the club and its growth in the future.

So with that,

BRING ON THE THOR and all other MOTORHOMES!!!!!!

May I even suggest a Delegate/Unit bring forth a motion to include any vendor MOHO into the New Constitution, I'd support the New Constitution based on that alone! No more being a "Naysayer" for me!

The WBCCI future is looking brighter with every new Special Committee.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:14 PM   #1046
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Regarding the electronic meetings, do you envision the elimination of the Mid Winter meeting, some of the meetings at the International Rally, the annual budget meeting in Jackson Center or some other meeting(s)?

Bill
I am only suggesting that meetings, which now require members of the IBT or EC to travel, at members expense, (travel is a budget item) could be reduced by using electronic meetings. This is not allowed in the current constitution. What meetings might fall in to this category will be up to the IP and the IBT, but the revision allows them to do it and save money.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:19 PM   #1047
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Tom,

Are you aware of the California open meeting law, commonly called the Brown Act? It is important that the meetings which are now open to all members remain open and accessible. I would like to know how many other meetings are held without notice to the members. I know that the IBT holds pre meetings before the IBT seminars to discuss the agenda.

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I am only suggesting that meetings, which now require members of the IBT or EC to travel, at members expense, (travel is a budget item) could be reduced by using electronic meetings. This is not allowed in the current constitution. What meetings might fall in to this category will be up to the IP and the IBT, but the revision allows them to do it and save money.
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If the club was originated in California, it might be forced to comply, but it isn't. It is a Ohio Corporation. Private clubs hold meetings between various officers all the time without notifying the members. However, most of their Constitutions do not allow them to keep the formal meeting results away from the members. Government bodies have to comply but subgroup meetings at state and local levels take place all the time but can not take legal actions without notifying the public. I am sure the International President of WBCCI holds meetings with various people and subgroups all the time and things are discussed. I am sure as a result of these discussions, some actions may be taken by some inner circle members, but they are not the complete IBT.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:25 AM   #1049
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Bring it all together

If an effort to support all the Special Committee’s over the past few years that some would say has created such a divide in the WBCCI and caused so many to leave. It maybe time for everyone who has been “against” these changes to finally admit we could have been wrong about each and every Special Committee recommendation. Maybe we should have signed onto the name change; maybe we should have included other manufactures of MOHO’s, maybe we should embrace the Revision Committee’s “New Constitution”.

Now is the time to “Strike While the Iron is Hot” and include each and every one of these changes into the “New Constitution”. What makes any one of these Special Committee suggestions any better or worst than the other one? We have the chance before us to include “ALL” of them into the New Constitution and be done with it. Since what Revision Committee is doing (according to them) is not an “amendment” to our existing WBCCI Constitution but a “Revision” we can include anything we want since it does not have to pass the sniff test with the CBL. Since Don S. wants to include other THOR MOHO products into the WBCCI anyway, let us amend the New Constitution to do so! If you are going to include other products, it’s a great time to change the name of the club too, maybe the “AOTCI” Airstream Owners and Travel Club International. That simple name change allows us to include other MOHO’s and maybe even travel trailers in the future! Just think of the possible increase in membership there could be and takes us back to the roots of the club to a time when Wally Byam allowed other manufactures of trailer products to take part in his caravans.

Who would not vote for that?

I will be more than happy to change my vote to a “YES” if the New Constitution includes all of those changes asked for by the different Special Committee’s over the years. Nothing makes one Special Committee any better than the other, so let’s include them all.
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Ya know..............

I had to check my calendar after reading the last several posts....thought it might have been April 1 or something!!!!
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You gotta hold on, these threads will make a left turn so fast that your neck will snap.

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Wink wizardry and good and bad witches

Membership voted it down and leadership wont stop until they get what they want, ah but just believe. The committees are all for the good of membership and you too can have an important part in the do it yourself constitution to replace all the things you always wanted to do but were too afraid to ask. We now give you that power, and eh sorry about all that past misunderstanding and misinformation.

There are no conspiracies. There is no self protectionist group at the top, HEY get away from that curtain. I am OZ, I am...oops.

Delegates, you don't need me or the IBT to find courage, a brain, or heart. You have always posessed those things within yourself. You can go back home to your unit. But until you come to that epiphany watch out for those dang flying monkeys! They'll get you and mess with you every time. Either that or the bad witch will throw magic dust in your eyes to slow you right down. Better grab Toto and head off in the stream waving good-by now that you know better.

Come to think of it it all has seemed like a nightmare or cautionary tale of woe. Wonder if we get to live happliy ever after at the end of this epic fairy tale.
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I have decided I will “FULLY SUPPORT” the inclusion of any THOR motor home and ask that current amendment they suggested be changed to include “Any Manufacturer” of motor homes since I may someday soon buy a “Prevost” motorcoach.
Paul, will you talk to us lowly trailer owners when you get your Prevost?

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If Paul's Prevost is allowed to get big red numbers, I should be able to get big red numbers for my diesel pusher too, right?
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It doesn't get any nicer than Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz for wholesomeness and goodness sake. Some may not agree but I think the points are well documented to support my opinions. Fortunately I timed out before I got to specifics. Or as Bob would say civility aside Carol... yet it truly isn't a matter of incivility aside, but actually it is the matter of criticism that has been objected to. I admit my "smiling faces" routine is not ready for implimentation. Nope I am never gonna make the big time with the way I am headed...
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Sure I will talk to you members of the WBCCI, you'll just have to come and visit me on "Gold Row" with the rest of the leadership. May I also suggest you call first, I maybe working with those to create bigger and better "Special Committee's"
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