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Old 04-24-2013, 07:15 AM   #155
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I think it is very unlikely this will pass unless the sponsors can come up with a strong "sympathy" vote.
I am concerned a large number of unit members won't have a vote as they won't be represented at the delegates meeting due to low international attendance.
Assuming it fails again we will undoubtedly get to do this again next year
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:38 AM   #156
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You know, the IBT could put a stop to this, even if as said above its put forth by one region or unit, but they don't.
Unfortunately, the WBCCI constitution and bylaws do not include a "three strikes" rule, that a motion raised three times and defeated three times would be dead forever. As it stands, the same people can put forward the same motion, year after year after year, ad infinitum and ad nauseum until it either passes or until they leave the club due to death, sale of their Airstream, or non-payment of dues.

Perhaps we should put forth a motion to adopt a "three strikes" rule…
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Since Thor owns Airstream and they also produce SOB motor homes, what is preventing Thor from taking one of their "SOB" motor homes and re-branding or private labeling it to "Airstream". As it comes off of the assembly line just put an Airstream name pale on it in a few spots and hang a big rear mud flap with Airstream on it. They could call it the Airstream - Crossover model. Would it not then be an Airstream Motor Home.
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Since Thor owns Airstream and they also produce SOB motor homes, what is preventing Thor from taking one of their "SOB" motor homes and re-branding or private labeling it to "Airstream". As it comes off of the assembly line just put an Airstream name pale on it in a few spots and hang a big rear mud flap with Airstream on it. They could call it the Airstream - Crossover model. Would it not then be an Airstream Motor Home?
Actually, by the definition in Article VI, Section 1 of the WBCCI Constitution, it would not. Having an Airstream badge is not the same as "manufactured by Airstream, Inc."
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The Thor Motor Coach company is just as independent of Thor Industries as Airstream is, I believe. The Thor Motor Coach factory is located in "RV city," Elkhart Indiana (while Airstream is located in Jackson Center, Ohio). Thor Industries is the parent company of Thor Motor Coach, Airstream, Breckenridge, CrossRoads, Dutchmen, Keystone, Heartwood, and Redwood. For more info on Thor Industries, see their site:
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Since Thor owns Airstream and they also produce SOB motor homes, what is preventing Thor from taking one of their "SOB" motor homes and re-branding or private labeling it to "Airstream". As it comes off of the assembly line just put an Airstream name pale on it in a few spots and hang a big rear mud flap with Airstream on it. They could call it the Airstream - Crossover model. Would it not then be an Airstream Motor Home.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:55 AM   #160
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Thor also has rv trailer's, not just motorhomes.
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If you present the same thing every few years, eventually the mix of voters can change to where, tired of the same old thing, and with a smaller group because bunches have left the club because of this issue, it could pass. Not this year maybe, but maybe in 2 or 3 years, or more. The same leaders, or their carefully chosen successors, can keep bringing it up, over and over.

I suppose if Thor wanted to produce an "Airstream" MH, they would, but they have decided for years it isn't worth it. But if they changed their minds (lots of orders at a very high price), Airstream could contract with Thor to provide them with Airstream MH's—build most of it at Thor in Elkhart, bring it to JC, and finish it off with Airstream badging, some shiny aluminum panels, and some Airstream stuff inside. Thus an Airstream MH, manufactured by Airstream, Inc. Then it is just a matter of the club leaders saying it is constitutional. After all, when Airstream sends a shell to Timeless Travel Trailers, isn't TTT's final product still an Airstream and ok according to the club constitution? Vehicles of all sorts are often built in collaboration with different companies.

But they tried to convince Thor to do something like this and Thor said no. Otherwise, they wouldn't be trying to change the rules. Thor is a cost cutting company typical of many corporations. They aren't going to do anything that invests capital in it and doesn't have a high return right away. Twenty such MH's selling at $250,000 means something like a $2,500,000 investment (figure their cost at half the retail) unless they get most of the money up front. They would rather invest in corporate officer bonuses. They produce big profit with their practices. This is not a good long term strategy, but so far it has worked for them.

There is also the psychology that Airstream had MH's, they didn't sell all that well, and "we'll never try that again". Having been burned on poor quality thermopane windows decades ago, Airstream has never tried that again either even though other companies use them without a problem.

So their only option is to attempt to change the rules, over and over and over.

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[QUOTE="Protagonist"]

"Unfortunately, the WBCCI constitution and bylaws do not include a "three strikes" rule, that a motion raised three times and defeated three times would be dead forever. As it stands, the same people can put forward the same motion, year after year after year, ad infinitum and ad nauseum until it either passes or until they leave the club due to death, sale of their Airstream, or non-payment of dues.

Perhaps we should put forth a motion to adopt a "three strikes" rule…["

Okay , I propose that a motion be presented that 'the question of allowing non-Airstream products into the wbcci shall never be allowed again'

Can I get a 'second'?
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:35 PM   #163
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Question...all in favor say "I" Motion carried. There it is done .
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Questions....Are you a WB member? Has your unit taken the time to read and understand the motion? Have you, as members, cast your votes or been given the opportunity to vote? Are you heading to Huron to defeat this motion? Has a delegate from your unit been determined to carry your vote forward?

If your unit is/has voted and not able to attend the International, find an affiliate who is willing to be your delegate so that your unit's voice is heard. Requirements are the affiliate must be in your region. A 1/3 count is needed to defeat this motion, 2/3 count to pass the motion.

Don't wait for your unit officers to move on this issue, take action. Apathy is not acceptable. You have a voice, please use it.

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The May Issue of Blue Beret has a Great Letter to the Editor in it. I hope all Airstream members of WBCCI read it this month & make sure your Unit votes !!!
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Questions....Are you a WB member? Has your unit taken the time to read and understand the motion? Have you, as members, cast your votes or been given the opportunity to vote? Are you heading to Huron to defeat this motion? Has a delegate from your unit been determined to carry your vote forward?
Wisconsin Unit voted 14% in favor, 86% against the MoHo amendment at its spring business meeting. Unit president will be serving as Delegate at Huron.
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