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Old 04-29-2013, 06:31 AM   #181
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The other side of the coin though is that Airstream as a group thing is dying out. They said so at the Rally. They had over 1000 in 2000 or so and the number keeps going down.
Getting smaller is not the same thing as dying out. There are any number of reasons why rally attenance might decline, that have nothing at all to do with WBCCI membership.

There is a push in WBCCI to attract a younger demographic, rather than the predominantly retired elderly demographic presently dominating the WBCCI. Not a strong push because the elderly folks in charge want to remain in charge and guide the young'uns on the proper path…

Part and parcel with the younger demographic comes the fact that these new, younger members more than likely still work for a living, and so cannot take time off for a rally whenever the mood strikes them. For someone who has limited time off from work in one stretch, it might take half their vacation time just to get to the big national rallies, and the other half to get home again, with no time left for the rally itself in between.

Working stiffs who buy an Airstream don't do it to make one big trip a year and let the trailer sit in the driveway the other eleven months; they do it to make lots of little trips whenever they can get a long weekend off. As one of those working stiffs, I will only attend rallies that require a single day on the road to get there, and a single day to return. My shortest rally to date has been a three-day weekend, with a six-hour drive to get there. Lots of fun, but between loading up, driving, setting up, breaking camp, driving home, and unpacking, I spent as many waking hours to and from as I did at the rally proper. But as long as my boss has a say in when I travel, that's the way it's got to be.

So, unless WBCCI commits to being a retirees-only club in perpetuity, they had better expect attendance at the big national rallies to decline, and had better fill in the gaps with more Unit and Regional rallies that don't require five days on the road just to arrive.
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:43 AM   #182
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IMO WBCCI 'full' membership should be limited to Airstream trailers (perhaps also Argosy, squarestream and Classic MOHO). And while I have never been on a caravan, I believe those should be limited to Airstream trailers and the above close relatives.

However, rallies should be open to anyone interested in Airstreams to include Airstream motor homes and any other RV. Perhaps there could be an 'affiliate' membership class.

The Airstream experience is not about the Airstream brand, it is about the shiny silver shape. Should Airstream at some point decide to build square white boxes with graphics, those also should not be full members in WBCCI.

Wally Byam originally was trying to build the 'best' travel trailer. Now, Airstream builds an iconic image and that is what we love. And, while membership is dropping in WBCCI, sales of the iconic Airstream are continually increasing both in the US and internationally. Everyone purchasing an Airstream new or used does it because we love the iconic image. Let WBCCI represent that image. People buying Airstream's are not just buying a travel trailer. They specifically want an Airstream. WBCCI should position itself as a desirable organization for every single owner of an Airstream travel trailer.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:01 AM   #183
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IMO WBCCI 'full' membership should be limited to Airstream trailers (perhaps also Argosy, squarestream and Classic MOHO).
As the owner of an Interstate class B, and a WBCCI member in good standing, I'm obliged to disagree.

But if you put forth a well-written motion to that effect, and it passes when brought to a vote, I'll live with the results. That's what parlaimentary procedure is all about. Such a motion would certainly put an end to the nonsense about Thor Class As, at least.

Heck, if that was the only way to defeat the Thor MoHo issue once and for all, I'd vote in favor myself, even though it would partially disenfranchise me and make me a second-class member. After all, passage of the Thor MoHo motion would devalue my Interstate as an Airstream motorhome in one fell swoop, too.
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JupiterJ. An "Associate membership and/of Afiliate Status" has already been dangled as an olive branch alternative with no allowance for a THOR coach owner to hold office and no voting rights. The MoHo proponents have rejected any restrictions. So, what is not understood?? If its not manufactured by AIRSTREAM, its NOT allowed in WBCCI
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The issue of mohos in the club was debated decades ago, as was argosy admission. That is when AS mohos were first admitted, As it was a hot topic even that long ago. Purists then thought only trailers should be allowed and no Argosy trailers or even aluminum AS Mohos. Jim
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:03 AM   #186
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The internet changes things and old type clubs like the WBCCI are all shrinking. It is easier to be on a Forum than join a club and volunteer. The clubs that don't emphasize the internet and change to it, become small and may die out.

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Old 04-29-2013, 08:52 AM   #187
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The internet changes things and old type clubs like the WBCCI are all shrinking. It is easier to be on a Forum than join a club and volunteer. The clubs that don't emphasize the internet and change to it, become small and may die out.

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Membership shrinkage seems to be a problem with all the organizations I belong to. (hope there is not a personal message there).
Membership in the WBCCI and also International attendance has shrunk much more than the other organizations though, so even if the social trend is against club memberships in general, the WBCCI is still doing
something wrong where attracting and keeping members is concerned
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:32 AM   #188
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The last large FMCA International rally that I worked at had 5500 motorhomes of all sizes, types and descriptions; that was in 2007. The same rally in the same location 5 years later had a meager 2000 units attending and attendance has been dropping ever since.

This has been the trend across all of the RV industry, not just with Airstream.

Sorry, but that is NOT an acceptable reason to include THOR products in the brand-specific WBCCI. Either you have an Airstream club or you don't!
I agree with the Lewster. It shouldn't matter how small the club becomes as long as the members that are in the club are being served by its tenets. I think the question here is better asked what the club is. Is it friends, fellowship and adventure and all about friends, as in the self professed "International Club" of current and past high officials, or is it an Airstream only club and concentric to the vehicle and the current WBCCI constitution and not those, who have determined it is their club and require a particular amount of paying members to sustain the way they want to club? Downsizing doesn't have to be the death of the club but not downsizing and reassessing expenditure and priorities could be very detrimental. I think that has already been clearly evidenced.

What's better an Airstream Club over 50 years with 300 members or a Thor RV club newly framed with 3,000?
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Questions....Are you a WB member? Has your unit taken the time to read and understand the motion? Have you, as members, cast your votes or been given the opportunity to vote? Are you heading to Huron to defeat this motion? Has a delegate from your unit been determined to carry your vote forward?
Lynda,

just FYI, at this past weekend's regular spring business meeting of the New England Unit, a delegate and an alternate delegate were appointed to vote our unanimous "no" for the motorhome motion.

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Good points about me stating the "dying out" mention. To be more clear, what they discussed was the potential for no longer being able to have the rally and thus, no more meeting.

I hear you about the smaller number as NOT a reason to include life members with SOB or a smaller market share issue. I am certainly not the last word or expert on the matter. I also believe that some of you "hit the nail on the head" with the idea of what WBCCI stands for and what they offer is what may be amiss.
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Joseph & Gaby...thanks for the update and for your club's support! Send me a PM and let me know how your little vintage is coming along! Hope to see you 2 out west again soon!
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My understanding is that WDCU voted no on MoHo.
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Thanks for the update, Howie!
Kimber, can you confirm and get back to us?
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We just received our Denver Unit Mail In Ballot for MoHo amendment. As this amendment is written, THOR Industries and THOR MOTORCOACH are being interchanged identified as one in the same. How can that be. THOR Industries is the parent administrative entity, and THOR MOTORCOACH manufactures CLass A Motorhomes which was a combination of THOR Industries subsidiaries, DAMON MOTOR COACH and FOURWINDS International merging creating a new company in September 2010. THOR INDUSTRIES doesn't manufacture Class A Motorhomes but they own companies that do. Yet this Amendment is identifying THOR Industries, who isn't a manufacturer, as the coach of choice for the Amendment change. What am I missing?
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What am I missing?
They're just sloppy and don't know how to draft a motion properly.

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Come on Gene. You if no one else should recognize Leageleeze.
Just instruct your unit to vote no rather than wait for thee IBT'a interuptation.
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Howie,

I don't believe that Gene is a member of WBCCI, sot he cannot instruct his unit to do anything. But, I agree vote no, don't bring up any confusion in the amendment, as that may delay this issue for another year.


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Jim/Chris, I just checked the text that was sent to us. It seems clear that they mean any motorhome manufactured by Thor Industries. However, a check of the Thor Industries website (link below message) indicates that Thor Motorcoach is the only one of those businesses producing a motorhome. So they're probably safe in that regard. Even so, it is a sloppy kind of wording -- and would open the club up to motorhomes produced by any of the other divisions of Thor Industries if any of them start producing motorhomes in the future.

While arguing this angle might slow the process down somewhat (minutes or maybe another year), I don't think it hits the nail on the head: People want only RVs manufactured by Airstream Inc. in this club. If you want to be a member in good standing in this club, then those are the terms.

Of course, one could take an even more aggressive stance at the meeting in a very different way. Make a motion from the floor to alter the amendment so that members who go on WBCCI caravans must be in their Airstream-manufactured RV, that is, no SOBs on caravans. It won't fly (because it involves a very different part of the Constitution, I think), but it sure would cause proponents of the measure to be on the defensive for once.


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Just instruct your unit to vote no rather than wait for thee IBT'a interuptation.
While on the subject of legalese… No one can legitimately "instruct" their members how to vote. They can ask. Beg. Plead. Cajole. But not tell or instruct.

More's the pity.
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