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Old 09-27-2016, 07:05 AM   #29
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Still on Clarion grills?

I hope the kidnapping of this thread is not causing distress to anyone. High end audio is as much an addiction as the whole AS phenomenon.

To continue with the "music in an AS" I had the pleasure to purchase eight 33 1/3rd LP's yesterday from a thrift store...had to spend $0.85....all are with no scratches, although a couple may have been played too many times to have much left. Also, purchased about fifteen CD's, some in original factory packaging...oh, had to go with another $19.00...

Turntable...I will not go with one in my AS...LOL, but a Bluesound Vault 2 is being considered. Any thoughts? Have they solved the problem of not reading all discs?

Back to the Clarion issue.... I am of the impression the actual head unit is not so bad, except for the mystery of how to input the various control functions...But, even with a rebuilding of the subwoofer, this may have to go....about all it does is provide a dull thump....

VPI Prime turntable......very nice. Actually, very, very nice. I am using an old Yamaha P-750 with new Shure cartridge, but may have to jump into the stratosphere with something like the VPI.

And, the Totem Acoustic Element Metal...with the subs, I have clean sound down to 20 Hz, and the detail is better than the Magico's I listened to. For those listening who have no idea what we are discussing here, some of us like a sweet, more "round" sound, others more of a crispy sound. The critical issue in speakers is placement and my Totem's are set up nearly four feet into the room, the result is a detailed yet very round, sweet sound which IMO can be a live performance when I close my eyes...as is the usual listening. I now have a fore and aft sound stage in addition to right/left. And, for those who like organ music, as in live, cranking up good speakers will do it.

In an AS, none of this is possible unless one completely modifies the interior, most likely covering the aluminum with thick anti-resonant material which will allow clean reproduction of music.

My apologies for getting slightly off, but the point is, one cannot make changes in an AS which allows the same listening as a well done home set up.
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Old 09-28-2016, 12:57 AM   #30
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Well said. In an AS, the sound quality improvements are iterative, and noticeable but not true high end. The difference is comparable to moving from a pair of Apple ear buds to a pair of Bose. Most consumers will like the sound but those with more experience in higher sound quality will be only mildly satisfied.

On the vinyl, nice score! I enjoy music so much more when shopping for vinyl. Consider a ProJect Carbon debut table with Ortofon blue cartridge and a good $400 phono stage as a great starter to good vinyl
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:57 AM   #31
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Vinyl...

One more grab at an auction in South Dakota... 26 LP's, six unopened, all but two with no surface defects, total cost $2.87. Content....well, lots of Polka stuff, but about five or six old western vocalists....

Sometimes the old less popular albums offer a very unique listening experience, expanding my understanding of the various musics genres.

And, if it works out, will get these into a high level digital storage device, one which I can carry with me in the AS.

Oh, yes, my current configuration has NAD C 546BEE, Yamaha P-750, Shure M97xE, NAD PP4, Mark Levinson No. 38, Mark Levinson No. 27.5, Belden 1800F Balanced, Canare 4S11 Bi-Wire Cables, BJC LC-1 Stereo Audio Cables, Totem Acoustics Element Metal, Totem Acoustics Thunder II Sub and in the past McIntosh 4280, NAD L810's, Quad ESL 63's, Finnish Subwoofer Stands, Vandersteen Subs, Theta Data Series II Lasar Disc Transport and DAC
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I hope the kidnapping of this thread is not causing distress to anyone ...

My apologies for getting slightly off
Slightly off topic??
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:44 AM   #33
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Maybe it is socioeconomic level, but I have always been pleased with mid-level brands of audio equipment- Pioneer, Sony, Marantz, JBL, Onkyo, Denon, Technics, Boston Acoustics-
I have gotten to a point if I had to give up all my audio gear I wouldn't miss it.
Trouble is how do you go about getting rid of it?
Who wants a bunch of old school stereo equipment and thousands of LP records and CDs?
Who would appreciate my lifelong collection of now seemingly worthless stuff that once meant so much to me?
Sometimes I think it would be best to have one of those auction companies come and sell everything like at estate sales, but I am still very much alive- just overwhelmed with stuff and clutter that can't be hauled in an Airstream trailer.
The days of internet, MP3s, Spotify, and Pandora have totally changed how we listen to music. Now I have 6,000+ songs in my iPhone with the capacity for many more.
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...can't seem to fit the Martin Logans or the Carver Sunfire with ALSs in the AS ... what do we do with an old Tascam 44 ... boat anchor??? Reeeely now !
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:40 AM   #35
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Real sound in an Airstream

It has been mentioned, I think, about someone listening to their music with headphones when out in their AS. This is most likely the best way for one individual to get good sound when in one of our beautiful aluminum boxes.

For speakers to give excellent sound, as in medium to high end audio, they need to be placed correctly in any listening venue, and the room needs proper treatment. Headphones solve all the problems of speakers, grilles, modifications, etc., except when multiple folks are listening....but even this can be solved if one uses multiple headphones. For just background music, television sound, the Clarions or the easy replacement Polk Audio, as I used are quite adequate....IMO
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As to speakers on the underside of the cabinets (and assuming four speakers in the lounge/kitchen), the "effect" is best when standing. And works well otherwise (going back over forty years). It's also good with windows open and when one is outside (doesn't quite blast the neighbors; but the sub needs be off).

Not so hot in the bedroom, granted, where firing upwards from bedside works well.

Secondary reflections might best be handled with one of the space or room dynamic analyzers.
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The speakers in the older Classics are mounted on the side walls in the living room firing in toward the middle of the trailer, but they are behind the pleated curtain.
The speakers in the bedroom are mounted in the wardrobe closets on either side of the bed firing in to the center of the bed.
The sub is under the couch along the front wall in the center.
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How to remove Clarion speaker grills?

Should have clarified that my experience has been with Silver Streak. Four lounge area speakers firing downwards can be adjusted -- even in the old days (Lear Stereo, anyone?) -- to provide a good soundstage.

No need to shut the door or the jalousie windows, in general.

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One solution for bedroom

Here is one solution for the bedroom television.

TV moved up, Bose computer speakers installed running from TV by Tommie Lauer, on Flickr

Alana_Mods_Phase_I_11.21.14-4 by Tommie Lauer, on Flickr

These are actually computer speakers, but improve the sound from the television immensely..... If one looks carefully you will see the power supply for the speakers below the television plug in. But, one must first modify the actual 120v plug, this being to cut the holes in the cover plate so as to allow the plug to go in. The contacts are already present behind the plastic.

Oh, yes, the television has been moved higher about two feet. Makes viewing so much more pleasant.
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Wonderful thread diversion everyone !

Speaking of a round sound, if we loose the oven (don't use it much) We could install our TEAC TASCAM 50 Series "half track". Serial #1 Click image for larger version

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Replacing and remounting Clarion Speakers

In our 2016 Classic, the front speakers are mounted under the cabinets. If you are sitting on the couch, you get too much sound from the speaker overhead. Standing, it's fine, but who watches much TV standing?

In the 2017 Classic, the speakers are mounted facing forward and I am considering the same. I'd leave the Clarions in place so as not to match or patch the hole. There is dead space between the cabinet and the wall to route wires and mount new speakers

Should I just replace the Clarions with the Polk DB651 and leave them under the cabinets or buy a small set of speakers to fit forward-facing?
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I had to switch out a speaker this morning. On mine, the screws are BEHIND the grill, so you have to pop off the screen part. Best place to do that was at the wide flat section (since it bent easiest without breaking. See photo.
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