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Old 03-13-2008, 10:42 PM   #15
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Welcome, and good luck with your quest. There are some great forum members in Denver area, and they'd be happy to have you join an outing and look and ask questions til the wine runs out...

I'd vote for shorter and narrower too, just because you might worry less about getting stuck or needing extra strength, and the smaller ones are easier to hook up and to tow.. The shiny insides are either CCD versions or SE models..

As for reservations, we've taken dozens of trips around west coast, into Canada and Canadian Rockies, and to air show at Oshkosh in July, and never needed reservations except at the air show.. Get a directory, charge your cell phone, and if you quit before dark (or maybe 5 or 6PM) you'll almost never need advance bookings. If you are going to a special destination resort, like Disney Ft. Wilderness or national parks in July, they will require reservations, if you want the deluxe campsites with hookups.. Even if places are booked, you're bound to have an adventure and find somewhere to sleep, from truck stop to rest area to some under-used government land...



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Old 03-13-2008, 10:49 PM   #16
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I got a spot for 4 days about 3 years ago, at the KOA in Jackson WY in July. I didn't expect to get it but you never know.

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Old 03-13-2008, 10:55 PM   #17
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Here's a couple more things to consider.

Tow vehicles come and go. Airstreams last for decades. Choose the trailer and then the Tow Vehicle.

Go to a dealer or better a rally. See as many as you can.

Make sure the bed is big enough. Lay on it.

Make sure the bathroom is big enough. Sit in it.

At rallies they have open houses. Take true advantage of that.

Floorplans are more important than length. Space usage is key in a travel trailer happiness and comfort.

Take your time and choose wisely.

Good luck and happy hunting.
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Old 03-14-2008, 05:53 AM   #18
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I am in Centennial if you want to come and see my trailer. It's 22 feet long, weighs 3000 pounds and is a single axle.

Just let me know.

Also, look in your tow vehicle owners manual to find out the tow rating etc....
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:45 AM   #19
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Welcome, if you are looking for a new one I would vote the 17' sport. But thats me. My husband and I have had several trailers and finally we think we might have one the right size for our family of 3. Hope to see you down the road.
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Old 03-14-2008, 07:35 AM   #20
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2airishuman nailed it right off "depends on where and when" You gotta go figure out what you are trying to accomplish first. As an example, my wife and I are a couple of pansies when it comes to outdoor rugged camping, just not gonna do it, our idea of a vacation is full hook-ups with TV and a golf course. So we are going to be in mostly modern RV parks and size does not matter, in fact, the bigger the better as they get more roomy with size. But I can not go to a lot of national parks, I could not join some folks I work with at a small SE AZ park due to length restrictions. You are also not going to find me towing off into the boonies since the rig is just too long.

If you like the idea of the woods, then maybe as small as you can live with as you will probably be able to get into and out of more areas and length restrictions will not be a factor. If you are going to be mostly on pavement (like interstates and such) heading to Vegas to Sam's town, or down to San Carlos, MX to the big plush RV parks, then get as much size as you can tow.

I disagree that bigger tlrs are harder to hook-up, they are all about the same. Bigger can get less forgiving to inexperienced drivers of tow vehicles. That is an endless debate on this forum. There are some died in the wool dudes hauling their monster rigs with mini-vans (ala can-am rv style) who just drive slow, then there are guys with the full on Class 8 tractors hauling around their pop-up tents (well ok, usually 5th wheels). I think you get the idea.

Ain't advice great, you'll here both sides of any argument, in the end you gotta do what *YOU* want to do.
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Old 03-14-2008, 08:51 PM   #21
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Thanks again everyone,

To Steve in Centennial: Thank you for your offer to see your AS. I am presently in Montrose for several weeks or I'd come see it.

I also spoke with the Land Rover dealer and he said to stay under 5000 lbs. He thought the Bambi would be a piece of cake. This might be a little small for me though. I'd like to use this vehicle because its comfortable AND has a back-up camera. He said I probably would need some kind of mirror extensions. I really don't what to trade vehicles if I can help it. It is a 4.4L and 300 horsepower. What do you think? Maybe a 23' ?

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what year is the land rover?

land rover ratings...

the towing capacity for the 4.4l models is around 7500 lbs...

the gcwr is 14000 lbs. so again the land rover has the CAPACITY for a 23.

the wheel base is short, but with a proper hitch and set up the rover will work.

yes mirrors are needed, along with a brake controller and hitch and adequate receiver.

i would ask the dealer person specifically "have U ever towed an rv with a rover?"

his answer will likely be NO and his advice is mostly useless.

i wouldn't want to tow with a land rover (not enough storage room inside) but some folks do.

depending on year and condition, the rover could be traded for a NEW toyota tundra truck, or other 1/2 domestic trucks,

in fact 3-5 year old fords or dodges (or the other one) would be a great choice for a 23.

these would all pull the 23 EASILY, and cost LESS to buy or maintain than the rover.

you cannot rely on SALESPEOPLE to sort out buying, equipping and towing.

there issues are TOO IMPORTANT to simply trust them to others.

there are some special set up issues that are specific to the rover (wiring, lights, brake controller) to deal with.

also a robust receiver is needed, not the stock rr one.

a camera is nice but many of us have learned to connect without cameras and solo.

the camera is basically USELESS once you are connected and towing.

you need to do the homework. IF you've never rv camped, driven a motor home or pulled a trailer...

you have lots to learn. it's all doable it can all be fun too, but most of the work and decision making is yours.

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Old 03-14-2008, 09:34 PM   #23
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I tow a 19' Bambi CCD with my VW Touareg, which is very similar to your Land Rover. I have had not problems, even when climbing the high mountain passes. The Bambi is only 4200 pounds GVWR, which is to say fully loaded with water, gear and beer. A 19' is a GREAT size trailer for just one. the 23' is a nice trailer, I too walked thru it at the Denver show, but IMHO is more trailer than you need for one. Save you money, save your fuel and buy smaller. You can always sell and buy a USED 23' later down the road.
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Old 03-15-2008, 07:08 AM   #24
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Help with what length of Airstream to buy

Greetings Stephanie!

Welcome to the Forums from another Free Wheeler (Airstreamer who travels Solo).

Originally Posted by s.noble
Since I am alone, I will have to be able to do the hitching, backing up, taking care of everything etc. on my own, maybe with a friend along from time to time.
There are a fairly large number of Free Wheelers in the Airstream community and there are a variety of methods and devices that can be employed to make all of the routine trailering chores an easy part of the daily routine. There are several versions of hitch-helper mirrors that allow you to see the receiver and coupler as you back your tow vehicle into position -- the unaware in the campgrounds will often stare in amazement as you align the hitch without further human intervention. Backing is the other function that can be a bit challenging for the Free Wheeler -- for this operation, the best advice is usually to get out of the tow vehicle frequently to check your progress. Often, when just traveling and stopping for a single night, I will opt for a pull-through spot to simplify the entire process.

Originally Posted by s.noble
Anyway, I really like idea of a 19' Safari but I've been told it is actually easier to back up with a trailer that has double axles, which start at 23'. I was also told the 23' trailers tow easier.
As you can see from my profile, I own both a 6.0 Metre (20 foot) and an Overlander (26 foot). It is true that the single axle coach will react more quickly to inputs from the tow vehicle and can be a bit more "bouncy" on rough highways. The tandem axle coaches tend to ride a bit more smoothly and react a little less quickly to the tow vehicle input when backing. The learning curve, however, is similar; and once you become familiar with your rig you won't notice a tremendous difference.

The primary reason that I chose a tandem axle coach as my first purchase was the concern for the consequences of a blowout while underway (I had a frightening experience with a Skyline Nomad single axle coach in 1982). After becoming acquainted with several Airstream owners with single axle coaches, my fears about adverse consequences (stability related) of a blowout were resolved which resulted in my purchase of the Minuet 6.0 Metre. Another benefit of the single axle coach is that you only have one pair of tires to maintain as well as only one pair of brakes and bearings to maintain.

My experience has been that the ease of towing is less a function of the the coach's length and more an issue of how well the coach is matched to the tow vehicle (size and power requirements) as well as how well the hitch and sway control have been setup. Both of my coaches have had their hitches setup by the service department of a dealer who is very particular about precise adjustment of the hitch (I am running Reese Straight-Line hitches with dual cam sway control).

Good luck with your research and decision!

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Old 03-15-2008, 09:36 AM   #25
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"I do have the big Range Rover ......"

Check out the information regards to how long a trailer you should tow based on wheel base at:

RV Towing Tips - How long?

With a WB of 113" the max should be about 21 feet.

Also, the max tongue weight of the RR is about 550lbs.

Just a thought.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:07 AM   #26
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Do not buy TOO Small for first AS

As newbies ourselves, we looked at the single axle smaller AS and then went to the double axle 23 foot. Never have towing before does give you a lack of confidence in your "ability". If you have trouble parallel parking, you will have trouble backing up an AS 16 footer or 30 footer. Take the offer to check out the AS in Evergreen, Colorado... Wish we had found this forum earlier.

Now we are looking to upgrade some day to the 25 foot Airstream as a perfect fit for our off road traveling. Any longer would make it tough to fit into National Forest gravel roads and "hunters" trails to open areas to park. If you are planning to travel only to RV parks, you CAN tow in and out with minimal effort. Our 23 footer is now outfitted to our needs and it will be difficult to add three feet of trailer and work out the "bugs" in outfitting again.

I would suggest trading in the Range Rover for a Toyota Land Cruiser and have money left over. Just a heavier vehicle and they come standard with the backup camera, etc., etc., etc.. You also will experience an effortless travel with the 25 foot and smaller trailer in tow. The 5.7 liter engine can pull up to the continental divide with power to spare!

Ask Windish RV to hook you up for a practice tow around the block. They will take you around the corner after setting your brake controller and jump out of the driver's seat. You will sweat profusely the first several miles, but after that you are no longer a newbie. You have been getting excellent advice from the long time AS owners so far. You will discover that after you buy that first Airstream, you could have handled the next size up without a problem. After 24,000 miles of towing in two years has given me a new perspective on living in a portable apartment.
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I appreciate all the advice. It's interesting Ray mentioned the Toyota Land Cruiser. I was just checking it out online. That's a good possibly since there is a Toyota dealer in Montrose where I spend a great deal of time. No LR dealer here and if I were to breakdown in Timbukto, chances of finding a Toyota dealer is far better than a Land Rover dealer. Last question on vehicles and I'll quit. If I'm going to trade in the RR anyway would I be better off going for a truck. Would the Toyota Land Cruiser be as good as a truck? I really like comfort.

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trading the rover for a cruiser is a zero sum game, and really a negative move...

a tiny bit longer wheel base and LESS TOWING CAPACITY than the rover...

besides it is STILL a luxo suv, with all the issues they 'carry' for towing...

and the cruiser is a less nimble daily driver

it's not unusual to be all over the map when first looking at 'streamin...

but ONE theme that is coming through here is that...

first time, new 'stream buyers OFTEN get a larger trailer, SOON after the first one.

i agree the rover has a short wheelbase, but using a haha would negate that issue...

still a 1/2 ton truck in any flavor would be a better towing tool...

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