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Old 02-19-2010, 05:42 PM   #99
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and, from a very great man, Benjamin Franklin, nearly 224 years ago -

"If we don't all hang together, then surely, we shall all hang separately."

- declaring independence from the governance of the Royal Crown (sound familiar ???)

I look forward to Leo G stepping down from the gallows under his own power, preferably sooner than later.


so Rob,

notwithstanding leaving our politics at home, any signing ceremony planned for the Bash?

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I just want to say that Penn Wood is an Airstream only park but you DO NOT have to be WBCCI to come and stay. See our ad in Airstream Life magazine and our website
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Old 02-19-2010, 07:10 PM   #101
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I got the normal e mail notification that you had posted the above post. However the link attached to that notification
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Frank

I got the normal e mail notification that you had posted the above post. However the link attached to that notification
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The thread title was changed to remove Leos last name as a courtesy and to address a privacy concern (think search engines). In doing so, the url of the thread was changed and that's why your notice gave that message. No thread content was removed or changed.
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:44 PM   #104
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The Trial

"a fourth grievance is written and ready to be brought forward if necessary, the Grievance Committee had no other choice but to do their job and act. The EC and your President stand behind their decisions. "

Will the grievance process again be use to degrade respect for the club?

Is the “closed” grievance process more destructive than constructive?

Are we to understand that if the current grievance is dismissed, a secret 4th grievance sits prepared and ready to be served?

Is this action intended to punish a defense and discourage others?

Will it again be applied for a fourth time to intimidate and silence others?

How long will the unscrupulous continue to harass the outspoken with impunity? As long as we have an enlightened membership?

What would Franz Kafka do?
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Leo G terminated!

In the words of Dean Wormer:

"DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!...There is a little known codicil in the Faber College constitution which gives the dean unlimited power to preserve order in time of campus emergency."

"Youv'e done it this buster! I'm calling the national office! I'm going to revoke your charter!"

"You're out! Finished at Faber! Expelled!"

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Wow, the Tom C letter is just BS... amazing!!!
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WHo cares now, I belong to a new airstream club.TAC, now I have a place to belong too.When they bounce me for free speech and speaking my mind .Walking the talk.,their a bunch of idiots . As a wbcci official said"We the wbcci want quality not quantity" I say lets give it to them,.strike 1.wbcci
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After witnessing the Collier debacle myself in person, I was struck that no only was the politics bad, it was bad in a amateurish fashion. If I am going to be hoodwinked at least give it to me better than this...

What nobody seemed to notice was that the one of the first things to fix the budget was to cut pay to "Those Girls" who work at the WBCCI headquarters.

To appreciate my point you have to have actually to know the Village of Jackson Center, Shelby County, Ohio. This is a one stop light town, in the middle of NOwhere. If you don't work for Thor, you're hurting. And Thor had lots of lay-off recently. Basically my point is this is a rather poor community in the best of times. And these are not the best of times...

So, to squander club resources to such a huge degree, and the first in line to pay for it are lowly staff in a struggling community, that no one sees? That stinks. I have no idea what they do, or earn, but NOBODY in Jackson Center is well off, by any means. Penalizing the most humble is cowardly, and it is not right.
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Because of the confidentiality clause in our grievance policies, I cannot speak on any details of the latest grievance. The one thing I can say is with 3 grievances filed on the same person in less than 2 years, 32 pages of exhibits presented, and depending on the outcome of the current grievance, a fourth grievance is written and ready to be brought forward if necessary, the Grievance Committee had no other choice but to do their job and act. The EC and your President stand behind their decisions.

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Wow. I'm flabbergasted.

If a fourth grievance has been written already, then it should be exposed to the light of day for all to see. Yes, I know, there's this little technicality about whether Leo is a member, and thus, the catch-22 element of this charade.

Who's willing to ask for it? Is it something that I can request? Or would it be more appropriate to come from a Region officer?


In the mean time then, can we see all 32 pages of exhibits, please? Are they already inside Airforums or Save Wally? I think that the WBCCI membership should have the opportunity to make their own critical evaluation of "the proof" used to prosecute Leo.

Though I understand that Leo's approach is not always the most gentle in the arguments he's made, I think that even the most conservative WBCCI member, when armed with the facts is likely to agree with him.


Tell me again, please, where I find "our grievance policies" in writing?


We've only been involved in Airstreaming & the WBCCI for a short period. The Airstreaming part has been, and I'm sure will continue to be great.

The WBCCI part is frighteningly similar to the circumstances under which I left a 25 year corporate career, a long time ago by now. I would hate to see this "company" destroyed, too.
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Leo:

I've seen your post above. I notice that you've pulled "WBCCI" from everything you're involved with which is likely in accordance with the order from the WBCCI. I haven't listened to your VAP visit, yet.

Maybe I've missed it (sorry, I read only at Airforums, not the seemingly 2-3 other places that Airstream / WBCCI discussions go on), but have you weighed in first-hand on your expulsion? Are you anti-WBCCI now? Are you still supporting it even though you've been forced to the outside? I'd really like to read your candid thoughts on the matter.
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I haven't listened to your VAP visit, yet.
You and all those following this episode have to listen to the podcase. It features 50 minuets of comments from Leo and Rob.

http://www.thevap.com/vapcasts/vap0110.mp3
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