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Old 02-11-2010, 01:08 PM   #21
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It would be a charge of harrasment only after 3 consecutive like calls.Then file a police report. Also a stalking charge to boot.a felony now in most states.
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:10 PM   #22
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I think AndyR is on to something ,maybe the "Beret's " are the problem Red or Blue maybe there on too "Tight"!
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No, Rob - if they want me out, let them say it to my face.

I think the reality is this - if I am going to be kicked out, on what basis? I have no actions against me that I know of (other than the Cease and Desist letter), Although I have had a grievance filed against me, it was dismissed.
The Mystery Caller kept telling me to resign today - he said it over and over despite the fact that I said that we were not going to renew. I have the impression that someone finds my presence in the club an irritant and a deterrent to a "quality membership.
Like I said, you want ME gone - just ask me. Tell me to my face that my contributions to WBCCI and the VAC are substandard to your "Quality" desires and my wife and I will be gone. just ask...

It did not record it - it was on my cell phone and likely not an ileagal activity as my life was not threatened. It was just an old man who was somewhat breathless in his excitement harassing me. Too scared to identify himself. What quality of person is that?
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It did not record it - it was on my cell phone and likely not an ileagal activity as my life was not threatened. It was just an old man who was somewhat breathless in his excitement harassing me. Too scared to identify himself. What quality of person is that?
Never mind illegal, how does that measure up to the code of ethics and the ever decreasing morale and confidence of the general membership of WBCCI IBT or EC7 in particular??!!! Greivience, on them not you! Everything you and Leo have represented since the conception of Save Wally, the membership's advocacy group, is the absolute truth that I myself would swear to after following the particulars for so many years. Do not tire out now. No one can deny they are listening and you are standing on their last nerve left. There is not too much more they could possibly do to escape detection and scorn.
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Can someone tell those of us who are "not in the know" what this is all about please? Obviously more WBCCI drama happening around us. Who is "Leo G" and what was he terminated from?

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Leo is the chief bottlewasher of Save Wally. Tim is partner and the web master of the Save Wally team. It was founded to increase member awareness and stop the leadership from throwing away the WBCCI's club name and was successful. Then Save Wally also led the defense to stop other brands of RVs into the exclusive Airstream club. Leo has run from the floor as a candidate and done well for two or more years but has not succeeded in getting past the "nominating committee's" candidates while the IBT has recanted and rescinded rules for the sole purpose of excluding his coverage in the BB and obstructing his e-mails to regions and units and their members and supported various grievances filed against him to stop his progress in challenging the current leadership. None of these many grievances against Leo, or Bob T, the region president, or Tim, have been filed from a member of WBCCI but all have come from the top down!!!
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Is this true? No way. Leo's been the "Stay WBCCI" voice - don't they get it?...

WOW WOW WOW...
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Any possibility of an emergency interview with Leo on theVAP?

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Old 02-11-2010, 01:39 PM   #28
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Here's what I recall happened.

Leo was on probation for doing something but really nothing other than supporting the club as a past unit president.

At the last IBT in June some darling wife of a guy by the name of Stumpe I believe a unit pres. tossed a BIG cup of iced tea in Leo's face or on his head.

Leo being a gentleman didn't run off and file a grievance against her as I would have, he shrugged it off.

Later last year he was on probation for supporting the club and voicing his opinions.

Mr. Stumpe filed another baseless grievance against Leo knowing he was on probation.

A hearing was requested via teleconference.

Now he declined to attend a teleconference on this grievance since there was nothing in the Bylaws, constitution or Roberts Rules indicating such a proceeding.

He was following the rules, the committee allegedly was not.

Leo stood his ground and was terminated.

IMO Leo should sue the club and get a real Court to explain how the rules of the club should apply.
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Old 02-11-2010, 01:52 PM   #29
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Is that the new Sargent at Arms for the WBCCI? Wow I like the Red Baret and the fatigues. I wish that had sound so I could hear what the cowards said to Leo.

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Please don't go so easy. Make the Bastards kick you out to show there true colors. At least that will give us some in site as to their definition of Quality, or none quality.
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O.K. there is something going on here. I just got a call from an unidentified man (the 3rd I have received from him). He calls on an unlisted number, will not identify himself and he tells me (yesterday) <snip>
You should know that the phone company will collaborate with the police to identify and take action against people using the "unknown name unknown number" to hide behind for committing felonious acts (harrassment, for example).

Check with your local Bell (or affiliate) office, they will tell you how you can have the "mystery caller's" identity made known.

Once you've done that, let him call a few more times before you inform him that he is now being turned over to the police for potential action concerning harrassment charges. By then he will be "on the hook".

I only know this because we had a young teen making obnoxious calls, and we complained. It worked very well, by the way.
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Huh - that is funny - some guy files 2 baseless grievances against Leo, and he is kicked out. I file one totaly factual grievance, complete with video evidence and everything and I am told it is baseless AND that action would be taken against me if I filed another baseless grievance against a member of the club....Hmmm
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Old 02-11-2010, 02:06 PM   #32
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Huh - that is funny - some guy files 2 baseless grievances against Leo, and he is kicked out. I file one totaly factual grievance, complete with video evidence and everything and I am told it is baseless AND that action would be taken against me if I filed another baseless grievance against a member of the club....Hmmm
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I haven't renew yet this year for personal reasons but was to this month... I won't and will send letter to the Int. Pdt to let him know why I won't renew.

I really am tired of that North Korean like leadership... I can't even believe I use the word "leadership". Those guys sucks big time and they worth nothing except to be told what they are.
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Yeah, I am in the same boat. I just got a letter this last week from them asking if i will renew and if not they have a section for comments....I guess i may just have to fill that part out. I think that all of this mess is just crazy....we were members last year...and have never done anything with our unit anyway.....they always have meetings when non retired people are working. So I guess i will just save my money....the real reason I was joining was to be able to go to airstream only parks and maybe try to make some rallys....I guess we will just stick to non wbcci...events and parks. This whole thing seems like alot of people who just want a FREE ride to travel and make trouble for anyone who doesn't like what they do.
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I'm not a member and have never been a member but do find this thread and posts interesting. I have considered becoming a member but due to a lot of comments I have read about the leadership and their boondoggles, I have decided to wait and gather more information. I find it curious that none of the posts on this thread are sticking up for the WBCCI. I was not even aware that there are WBCCI Airstream only parks. I was aware that there are Airstream only parks. Are they all WBCCI only? If they are, maybe they should be made aware of their potential downturn in business. Are they subsidized by WBCCI?
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:48 PM   #36
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I got my letter this month too asking why I have not renewed. So many choices who can choose but one? This would be year 6 I think. Maybe I will skip this year and retain my numbers and rejoin year 7??? Or not. All I get for my money is the paper BB. That is obscene!!! Add to that the insult of member to leadership relations and I think they owe us a settlement!
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We should call a boycott to the International in support of Leo.
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Leo was on probation for doing something but really nothing other than supporting the club as a past unit president........At the last IBT in June some darling wife of a guy by the name of Stumpe I believe a unit pres. tossed a BIG cup of iced tea in Leo's face or on his head.....later last year he was on probation for supporting the club and voicing his opinions.....Leo stood his ground and was terminated.
Ya gotta be kidding! I thought he did something really bad...............like sign up for the Birthday Bash!!!!!

I am assuming that "terminated" in this context means expelled from the Club. Geez!

Thanks for filling in the blank spaces. The thread (but not the action) makes more sense to me now
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We should call a boycott to the International in support of Leo.
Yes, Bob.. that is what I've been saying, albeit from the outside... be careful or you'll be on the list. All they listen to is MONEY.

Oh yeah, I hope the people coming to the Bash are not on this list.

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We should call a boycott to the International in support of Leo.
I am already boycotting the international due to the elimination of 3 amp parking.
Can I do it twice??
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