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Old 04-18-2012, 10:12 AM   #253
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Come on Jim life is a serious business, don't take it so seriously.
Very true

I re-read the entire thread (masochism, perhaps?) and came to the same conclusion.

I do tend to get a bit defensive when people tell me that in some undefined way I'm risking the lives of my family every time I take to the road with the Airstream in tow, but I should perhaps just ignore them. I know that I take no more risks than anyone else, that my setup is fine (better than many, I think, but that's just my very humble opinion) and that I drive with the best attention that I can muster. That people choose to see things differently is beyond my control so shouldn't bother me one jot.

I have to say that the good people on Air Forums are way more accepting of the alternative view than those that populate other forums. I contributed a couple of entries to RV.net and was castigated as a dangerous eccentric, this despite the obvious and well laid out argument I made. I guess you can't please all of the people....

Anyway, my fellow contributors, keep up the good work
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:56 AM   #254
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Very true

I re-read the entire thread (masochism, perhaps?) and came to the same conclusion.

I do tend to get a bit defensive when people tell me that in some undefined way I'm risking the lives of my family every time I take to the road with the Airstream in tow, but I should perhaps just ignore them. I know that I take no more risks than anyone else, that my setup is fine (better than many, I think, but that's just my very humble opinion) and that I drive with the best attention that I can muster. That people choose to see things differently is beyond my control so shouldn't bother me one jot.

I have to say that the good people on Air Forums are way more accepting of the alternative view than those that populate other forums. I contributed a couple of entries to RV.net and was castigated as a dangerous eccentric, this despite the obvious and well laid out argument I made. I guess you can't please all of the people....

Anyway, my fellow contributors, keep up the good work
Other Forums probably think all Airstream owners are "NUTS".

It does not surprise me that SOB owners would be critical of Airstream owners, since they don't have a clue about towing something that is far removed from their trailers, because of the much cleaner aerodynamics Airstream owners enjoy.

They don't understand that towing an Airstream involves somewhat different issues than the SOB's.

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Old 04-18-2012, 11:59 AM   #255
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Red face Ramblings of an amateur philosopher and full time wise acre.

Here is where these threads go sour:

One person starts a thread asking a question.

The next logical step should be and usually is:
Members attempt to give what they feel is good helpful advice supported with whatever supporting evidence they feel is appropriate.

The next step should be:
The OP reads the responses and asks questions about them, if there are any. When they are satisfied, they say thank you.

However, what generally happens is that the responders start questioning the responses they don't agree with. It then turns into a donnybrook and the OP gets frustrated and confused, and leaves the thread if not the forums.

I think there is a need for us to have more respect for the ability of the OP to come to a decision by weighing the various ideas, and less ownership of our own ideas. If the OP becomes confused by contradicting ideas, perhaps it will cause them to do some further research and reading on their own. In my mind that is the best way for them to come to a good decision that they will be happy with.

One thing I have learned being on these forums is to think every time I quote another post. I try to decide if I am quoting to clarify what I'm referring to or am I quoting to disagree with the quote. If it is the latter, I sit back for a bit and think about: "Am I about to help anything but my ego?" You will note, by reading some of my old posts, that I haven't always done this. I would prefer you did not research that however. I am, in retrospect, not proud of some the exchanges that I got involved with basically just to win the argument.

That is the end of today's philosophy sermon.

One other confession:

My fourth grade teacher once wrote on my report card, "Ken would get better grades if he wasn't such a wise acre." I weighed this advise and decided on a compromise. It was; to be as much of a wise ass as I could get away with and still just barely pass. That has pretty much been one of my life's motto's. Therefor I usually don't think too long before for posting something that breaks me up. Unfortunately, my sense of humor is sometimes fairly obtuse.

OK, the sermon and confession is over, someone just say the parting benediction and we can all skip mass.

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Perhaps when the OP is satisfied with the responses he cancelled the thread it would be better. jim
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:36 PM   #257
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Airstreams are American, so tow with an American Vehicle and you will be safe!

That's why I left that German SUV.... (btw, I LOVE the German and soon to be American oil burners, so the above is all to be taken in jest)...

Ok - being serious for one second, we all will have our opinions but to I, the person driving the tow vehicle is overall responsible for their rig and the safety of it's occupants And Those On The Road With Them....

So, as much fun as we have with these discussions, or as heated as they may become - I'm grateful for these threads, especially for the newer forum members!
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What stands out is this was Marinablue's first and only post, so the subsequent responses, all 257 of 'em, are all in the the family.

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Hi Ken (w7ts), my FIRST grade teacher said the same thing about me, so I win.
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Old 04-19-2012, 09:19 AM   #261
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Opinions on TVs are all over the map. I enjoy reading other people's opinions on them because this is how I learn.

Selection of a TV is as broad as the selection of the cars (or trucks) that we drive when not towing. I think it says something about our personality and our values.

There are some great TVs out there. I think it is important to learn all you can about them, and then make the selection of the one that works the best for you. You and I probably will not pick the same TV, but that is ok. Just be happy with your selection.

Time to hook up the Airstream and go camping.

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[QUOTE=REDNAX;1134552]Sarge, you have an opinion, but can't define the words used to express it. Based on ignorance (the kinder choice in interpretation), and from which you might well choose to educate yourself from any of a variety of angles.

A) before you call someone ignorant you should know more about them, and the fact that you know little of me tells everyone on here who the real ingorant person is!!!!! and yes I have my opinions and they are formed from experience.

I've spent I don't know how many thousands of miles driving a one-ton pickup with a trailer behind that, combined, was at least 10,000-lbs past "rated GCWR". From truck weigh stations to LEO's doing Level 1, 2 or 3 roadside inspections there isn't a problem. If the tires are up to the load and if the axle rating has been respected the law doesn't address it.

A) You spent thousands of miles with a less than 10,000 lb vehicle for 5 years and you know more than my 22 years 2 million miles of safe driving record as well as having driven everything from 1 ton trucks to over size loads. Now who is making false statements!!!

In this statement that DOT let you leave a weigh station overloaded by 10,000 lbs with no citation, I doubt it very seriously. In fact come to East Tennessee, SE Kentucky, and overload your vehicle by that much, pm me and I will give you my phone number and meet you at the TN scales I-81 MM21, Knoxville I-40 faragut, Kentucky I-75 Corbin, and I will meet you there to see for myself and if it does I will not only print retraction but pay for your breakfast or lunch or supper which ever applies for the time period.

The insurance companies are happy to write $1-million dollar liability policies against it,

A) I would like one person on here to give me the name of 2 insurance companies who will write a policy on something that the insurance company knows is going to cost them money.
They cant because insurance companies are not going to write a policy on something that is going to cost them money. In fact you know so much go ask no better yet pm me with the name and number of your company and let me ask them directly if they would overload a truck beyond its ratings and legal peramiters. I can just about bet the answer, and I wonder what your company would say to you putting on the internet that they do so?

You flat don't know what you're talking about.

A) again another statement showing who is the real ignorant personis here!

Do you honestly think GM or Dodge denies warranty work on those same pickups used in the same manner to every farmer, rancher, trucker, contractor and small businessman in the country? They do not. They actively seek these users of light duty pickups as they are the largest group of buyers of the heavier light-duty trucks.

A) Again your limited knowledge baised on your own thoughts and wondering daydreams is -- Well-- if you read your warning in the truck it says that if you use the vehicle for other purposes than intend warrenties will be voided such as for ambulance, towtruck, utility, etc. As far as farmers and ranchers you can not include them in this because they are allowed a certain amount of give because of farming.
BUT wait you drive a company truck and not your own so you have no idea what or how the truck was ordered!!! And yes I do know someone who had their warrenty voided and it cost him dearly.

Question or Request? Rednax go to any dealer or call any (dodge, GM, Ford) and tell them that you are going to buy a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, and you are going to use them to tow/pull/load them with and use them in a manner beyond the warranty and would those vehicles be covered under warranty and could you get in writting? lets see what kind of answer you get.
And since you aren't old enough to remember what was done in the 1960s and 1970's to properly set up and tow a travel trailer with family cars -- with less power, worse brakes, etc -- you might sit up and pay attention to the details of how it is done. The information is out there, learn to use it. You might could wind up with a decent rig.

A) How old do you think I am? again here is where your ignorance shows through, I happen to be 55 years old and started camping when I was 7 which if you ask someone to do the math for you because you do not have the knowledge I started camping in the 60's and remember everything about it from the first trailer we had (a sierro scotty 16 foot) to the 2 fifth wheels purchased after 1st one being a 40 footer and the second was a 35 as most of us kids had grown and my mother and father traveled back and forth from Michigan to Texas every year until my mothers death. I was driving one of those when I was 15 so I have had plenty of experience.

How about you youngin? you got 5 years and know so much?
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I suggest both of you take a deep, deep breath and not answer each other until you both calm down (advice I sometimes forget too). You are both smart guys with lots of experience to share and you disagree. I am sure I am not saying anything you both don't know.

You both are younger than me so I am asserting my old guy rights to give unsolicited advice even though I know it is dangerous to get between the Hatfields and the McCoys.

I now understand the American national religion is the Church of Trucks. Doctrinal disputes are tough.

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The suggestion to take some deep deep breaths seems appropriate. We're closing this thread until further notice.

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