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Old 04-17-2012, 12:28 PM   #241
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Thanks Ken.

However, ratings are questionable at best, perhaps worthless when it comes to safety. A highly rated truck has proven to be a handful in emergency maneuvers, and dangerous when they turn over. A marginally rated Euro-type SUV can handles such maneuvers with relative ease compared to the truck, and a safer place to be if you lose it.

Ratings do not address this but our forum has, in spite of endless warnings about ratings, often by those attempting to justify two or three times the towing power they need, while sitting smugly inside a truck that may not be nearly as safe as they think.

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Thanks Ken.

However, ratings are questionable at best, perhaps worthless when it comes to safety. A highly rated truck has proven to be a handful in emergency maneuvers, and dangerous when they turn over. A marginally rated Euro-type SUV can handles such maneuvers with relative ease compared to the truck, and a safer place to be if you lose it.

Ratings do not address this but our forum has, in spite of endless warnings about ratings, often by those attempting to justify two or three times the towing power they need, while sitting smugly inside a truck that may not be nearly as safe as they think.

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I will agree that as far as avoiding a mishap, even my wife's Smart Car is far superior to our Dodge truck. However, I'm not sure about survivability if avoidance is not achieved.


I've posted this before but I can't resist it now. Note: It is safe, because we are using a ProPride hitch with 1400# bars. I know the bars are heavy, but I don't think we will beat the trailer to death. This is the epitome of a small european SUV. It is made by Mercedes, so how could anything go wrong.

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Non emergency situations are more likely to turn into emergency situations with a marginal tow vehicle. jim
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Non emergency situations are more likely to turn into emergency situations with a marginal tow vehicle. jim
Which leads one to ask the million dollar question....."what is a marginal TV"?

Many believe it is a TV that is towing above 80% of it's tow rating, or 50% or 150% or 500% whatever. Or a vehicle that is at it's payload max spec.

Some believe it is a TV that has a high centre of gravity, poor brakes, short wheelbase, very long wheelbase, vague steering, too heavy weight, too light weight, cheap tires, small tires, extra large tires, vehicles with dated designs, vehicles that lack new technology, stiff suspension, soft suspension etc, etc etc.

It is a very complex mystery with 1,001 different opinions.

PS.... and we still haven't talked about towing prowess of the trailer, or quality of hitch hardware, adequacy, or the adjustment and set up of the whole lot.
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Old 04-17-2012, 06:38 PM   #246
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Which leads one to ask the million dollar question....."what is a marginal TV"?

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This link will take you to an example of a margarinal tow vehicle.


Please note that it is a large European Mercedes SUV.

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Can anyone tell that I am having difficulty focusing on the seriousness of this discussion?
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OMHO, but any TV can be marginal, according to the nut behind the wheel. Sal.
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What do you mean bob ?

......based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic : they provided considerable empirical evidence to support their argument.


Arguments usually ensue whenever said topic is addressed.


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A thread like this proves anyone can rationalize in order to try and prove their point. I find it interesting that some are so defensive. Usually means that deep down they know their facts are iffy. jim
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In our pursuit of perfection, we are often disappointed. Trying to assess every fact, factoid, opinion and rationalization makes for ultimate confusion and, hopefully, some decision that is fairly rational when we go out to buy a tow vehicle or RV.

Some of the arguments for and against illuminate and some don't. I hope to choose correctly and sometimes I do. Acceptance of the decision can be difficult when things go wrong. Rationalizations ensue when we can't accept we made a decision as best as we could. Sometimes we are wrong regardless of how careful and thoughtful we were.

Even through the most frustrating of threads, there is some light as well as heat. Take them for what they are, no more and no less.

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A thread like this proves anyone can rationalize in order to try and prove their point. I find it interesting that some are so defensive. Usually means that deep down they know their facts are iffy. jim

Come on Jim life is a serious business, don't take it so seriously.

Please point out the iffy fact's, and if it's a fact, how can it be iffy? Or maybe it's not iffy and just a fact we choose to ignore. And if ignored then it's a fact in your own mind and as such can not argued with.

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Very true

I re-read the entire thread (masochism, perhaps?) and came to the same conclusion.

I do tend to get a bit defensive when people tell me that in some undefined way I'm risking the lives of my family every time I take to the road with the Airstream in tow, but I should perhaps just ignore them. I know that I take no more risks than anyone else, that my setup is fine (better than many, I think, but that's just my very humble opinion) and that I drive with the best attention that I can muster. That people choose to see things differently is beyond my control so shouldn't bother me one jot.

I have to say that the good people on Air Forums are way more accepting of the alternative view than those that populate other forums. I contributed a couple of entries to RV.net and was castigated as a dangerous eccentric, this despite the obvious and well laid out argument I made. I guess you can't please all of the people....

Anyway, my fellow contributors, keep up the good work
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Very true

I re-read the entire thread (masochism, perhaps?) and came to the same conclusion.

I do tend to get a bit defensive when people tell me that in some undefined way I'm risking the lives of my family every time I take to the road with the Airstream in tow, but I should perhaps just ignore them. I know that I take no more risks than anyone else, that my setup is fine (better than many, I think, but that's just my very humble opinion) and that I drive with the best attention that I can muster. That people choose to see things differently is beyond my control so shouldn't bother me one jot.

I have to say that the good people on Air Forums are way more accepting of the alternative view than those that populate other forums. I contributed a couple of entries to RV.net and was castigated as a dangerous eccentric, this despite the obvious and well laid out argument I made. I guess you can't please all of the people....

Anyway, my fellow contributors, keep up the good work
Other Forums probably think all Airstream owners are "NUTS".

It does not surprise me that SOB owners would be critical of Airstream owners, since they don't have a clue about towing something that is far removed from their trailers, because of the much cleaner aerodynamics Airstream owners enjoy.

They don't understand that towing an Airstream involves somewhat different issues than the SOB's.

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Red face Ramblings of an amateur philosopher and full time wise acre.

Here is where these threads go sour:

One person starts a thread asking a question.

The next logical step should be and usually is:
Members attempt to give what they feel is good helpful advice supported with whatever supporting evidence they feel is appropriate.

The next step should be:
The OP reads the responses and asks questions about them, if there are any. When they are satisfied, they say thank you.

However, what generally happens is that the responders start questioning the responses they don't agree with. It then turns into a donnybrook and the OP gets frustrated and confused, and leaves the thread if not the forums.

I think there is a need for us to have more respect for the ability of the OP to come to a decision by weighing the various ideas, and less ownership of our own ideas. If the OP becomes confused by contradicting ideas, perhaps it will cause them to do some further research and reading on their own. In my mind that is the best way for them to come to a good decision that they will be happy with.

One thing I have learned being on these forums is to think every time I quote another post. I try to decide if I am quoting to clarify what I'm referring to or am I quoting to disagree with the quote. If it is the latter, I sit back for a bit and think about: "Am I about to help anything but my ego?" You will note, by reading some of my old posts, that I haven't always done this. I would prefer you did not research that however. I am, in retrospect, not proud of some the exchanges that I got involved with basically just to win the argument.

That is the end of today's philosophy sermon.

One other confession:

My fourth grade teacher once wrote on my report card, "Ken would get better grades if he wasn't such a wise acre." I weighed this advise and decided on a compromise. It was; to be as much of a wise ass as I could get away with and still just barely pass. That has pretty much been one of my life's motto's. Therefor I usually don't think too long before for posting something that breaks me up. Unfortunately, my sense of humor is sometimes fairly obtuse.

OK, the sermon and confession is over, someone just say the parting benediction and we can all skip mass.

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Perhaps when the OP is satisfied with the responses he cancelled the thread it would be better. jim
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Airstreams are American, so tow with an American Vehicle and you will be safe!

That's why I left that German SUV.... (btw, I LOVE the German and soon to be American oil burners, so the above is all to be taken in jest)...

Ok - being serious for one second, we all will have our opinions but to I, the person driving the tow vehicle is overall responsible for their rig and the safety of it's occupants And Those On The Road With Them....

So, as much fun as we have with these discussions, or as heated as they may become - I'm grateful for these threads, especially for the newer forum members!
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What stands out is this was Marinablue's first and only post, so the subsequent responses, all 257 of 'em, are all in the the family.

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Hi Ken (w7ts), my FIRST grade teacher said the same thing about me, so I win.
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