Towing With F150 or Ram 1500 - Which One?

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by Siegmann

Should that be one person? I thought Ford used to give you credit for the driver (and a full tank of gas) when they listed payload. Have they changed?

Hi, Ford does include a full tank of gas, 36 gallons in my case. But the 150 lb driver is included in the tow capacity, not the payload. [at least that's the way I read it]

[BoldAdventure]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

Hi, as I stated before, when I was looking for a new F-150 there was a Limited or Platinum on the show room floor that had a payload of 1,065 lbs. My Safari has a tongue weight of 900 lbs so that would not even leave enough payload for me as the driver yet alone anyone or anything else. In my searches I have come up with a 2016 Ram Laramie crew cab Ecodiesel with 3:92 gears having 1,000 to 1,100 lbs payload. This would not work for me, with the trailer that I own.


My F-150 has a payload of 1,745 lbs. After my 900 lb tongue weight is deducted I have 845 lbs for two people, one little dog, and stuff in the bed of my truck.

So wait, the Ram Laramie had the same payload as the F150 Platinum about. Both are top level trims, all options.

What is your current trim level on your F150?

I think everyone on this forum agrees, the more options you want the lesser the payload. (could be worded better.)

The most basic of work trucks will always have the greatest payload.

[dznf0g]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

Hi, Ford does include a full tank of gas, 36 gallons in my case. But the 150 lb driver is included in the tow capacity, not the payload. [at least that's the way I read it]

Really, Where did you read that? Not questioning you at all, just would like to know that for professional reasons. GM includes the driver, and full fluids in payload calculations.

[rostam]

Apparently, the driver weight is only considered in GCVWR number, not in payload.

From F150's online manual (Pages 238-239):

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo...US_09_2014.pdf

"Steps for determining the correct load limit:
1. Locate the statement "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lb." on your vehicle’s placard.
2. Determine the combined weight of the driver and passengers that will be riding in your vehicle.
3. Subtract the combined weight of the driver and passengers from XXX kg or XXX lb."

[switz]

Not very many 150 pound drivers out there so the payload numbers are truly misleading when looking for every ounce of payload.

They need to leave the driver weight out of the empty weight discussion and state a full fuel tank is included in the base weight along with the engine oil and air in the tires. Also they need to state whether the base weight has a spare tire and if it does, is it full sized or a useless donut?

[BoldAdventure]

I thought this was suppose to be resolved with the new standards? Or is Ford still doing that thing where they don't include the bumpers and spare tire as part of the payload?

[dznf0g]

After looking into the verbiage, I believe the manufacturers are trying to take the confusion out of the traditional definition of "payload". Ford calls the limit "load limit" and it looks to me like that EVERYTHING which goes into the vehicle (except fuel) needs to part of the "load".

Chevy calls it "vehicle capacity weight limit", and it also includes driver and occupants.

I suspect they are trying to account for ACTUAL weight of occupants, since the 150# traditional payload calculation is invalid in fat America.

[dznf0g]

Originally Posted by BoldAdventure

I thought this was suppose to be resolved with the new standards? Or is Ford still doing that thing where they don't include the bumpers and spare tire as part of the payload?

J2807? It has nothing to do with vehicle load limits.

[jcl]

Originally Posted by rostam

Apparently, the driver weight is only considered in GCVWR number, not in payload.

From F150's online manual (Pages 238-239):

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo...US_09_2014.pdf

"Steps for determining the correct load limit:
1. Locate the statement "The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed XXX kg or XXX lb." on your vehicle’s placard.
2. Determine the combined weight of the driver and passengers that will be riding in your vehicle.
3. Subtract the combined weight of the driver and passengers from XXX kg or XXX lb."

That would be if you calculate your usable payload from the GVWR and the curb weight of the vehicle.

But if you look a the published charts for payload, on the F150 brochure, it says:

"Maximum capabilities shown are for properly equipped vehicles with required equipment and a 150 lb (68 kg) driver. Additional options....."

Seems pretty clear.

[tkb2041]

You know that best thing I like about my 2008 Ford F-250..it's paid for!

[rodsterinfl]

You know that best thing I like about my 2008 Ford F-250..it's paid for!

Yes, that is a GOOD thing.

As far as the opinions and, even the facts, it often comes down to what a person prefers. One truck may have a better spec in an area but the seat is more comfortable, etc. I do enjoy the information though not everyone agrees. That is the nature of discussion.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

[QUOTE=BoldAdventure;1766251]So wait, the Ram Laramie had the same payload as the F150 Platinum about. Both are top level trims, all options.

(1.) What is your current trim level on your F150?

I think everyone on this forum agrees, the more options you want the lesser the payload. (could be worded better.)

(2.) The most basic of work trucks will always have the greatest payload.[/QUOTE]


Hi, Bold;

(1.) I purposely chose the XLT as the model with the most bang for the buck, so to speak. My Lincoln has most of the toys that I didn't want or need in a tow vehicle. I hate moon roofs and didn't want leather seats this time. I'm not disabled so I can slide and fold my mirrors by hand. Are the fancier trucks nice? Yes. My XLT has all that I need /want, and more. I bought my truck mainly for towing. The five passenger Platinum could easily be maxed out, payload wise, with five passengers and a completely empty bed.

(2.) The most basic of trucks would have the smallest and least powerful engine so they will not "always have the greatest payload."

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by tkb2041

You know that best thing I like about my 2008 Ford F-250..it's paid for!

Hi, and so is my 2014 F-150; I made three monthly payments to qualify for another $1,000.00 discount.

[DHart]

Nine pages! Sheesh. I didn't read past the first one.

Al I can say is... PAYLOAD!!! Any current model 1/2 ton truck will easily pull an Airstream. You need to consider each truck's payload, along with other factors, and compare that payload (cargo capacity) to your own specific needs! This is a vital component in vehicle selection.

Lastly, have a look at the 2016 GMC Sierra and Chevy Silverado models... they are superb trucks and would be my top choice over Ford and Dodge.

[gandttimes]

Amen to that.

[BoldAdventure]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

Hi, Bold;

(1.) I purposely chose the XLT as the model with the most bang for the buck, so to speak. My Lincoln has most of the toys that I didn't want or need in a tow vehicle. I hate moon roofs and didn't want leather seats this time. I'm not disabled so I can slide and fold my mirrors by hand. Are the fancier trucks nice? Yes. My XLT has all that I need /want, and more. I bought my truck mainly for towing. The five passenger Platinum could easily be maxed out, payload wise, with five passengers and a completely empty bed.

(2.) The most basic of trucks would have the smallest and least powerful engine so they will not "always have the greatest payload."

Ok; I thought you ended up with the Platinum that's why I was confused with the statements. That all makes sense now.

[Lance M]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

Hi, as I stated before, when I was looking for a new F-150 there was a Limited or Platinum on the show room floor that had a payload of 1,065 lbs. My Safari has a tongue weight of 900 lbs so that would not even leave enough payload for me as the driver yet alone anyone or anything else. In my searches I have come up with a 2016 Ram Laramie crew cab Ecodiesel with 3:92 gears having 1,000 to 1,100 lbs payload. This would not work for me, with the trailer that I own.


My F-150 has a payload of 1,745 lbs. After my 900 lb tongue weight is deducted I have 845 lbs for two people, one little dog, and stuff in the bed of my truck.

You know Bob, you can get a RAM 1500 Quad Cab Tradesman Hemi with a payload of 1,716lbs and max towing of 10,650lbs. Just to compare a stripped down F-150 XLT like you have to a stripped down Ram Tradesman. I know you don't like diesel, so there is no point in quoting the RAM Ecodiesel numbers.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by Top

(1.) You know Bob, you can get a RAM 1500 Quad Cab Tradesman Hemi with a payload of 1,716lbs and max towing of 10,650lbs.

(2.) Just to compare a stripped down F-150 XLT like you have to a stripped down Ram Tradesman.

(3.) I know you don't like diesel, so there is no point in quoting the RAM Ecodiesel numbers.

Hi, Top;

(1.) Yes, I do know that, but that wasn't questioned.

(2.) I don't consider my XLT as a stripped down truck. The XL model is the lowest. My truck has all of the good working stuff, but much less of the electronic toys.

(3.) I have never been a diesel fan; And I have never made that a secret. The point of posting Ecodiesel numbers is because people were asking for them, and other than you posting a link, this question was avoided.

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

(1.) If you can deal with a lighter pay load, the RAM 1500 ecodiesel is a great choice.

(2.) Another Ram 1500 Ecodiesel here. Great match for a mid-size Airstream, great ride for us and our Airstream, and all the payload we ever needed

(3.) We did the research on payload, experimented with the driving and braking effects of full loads with and without the Airstream

(4.) Ram 1500 Ecodiesel would be a very well matched combination for our 25' Flying Cloud, a quality w.d. hitch setup, with all the carrying capacity we'll ever need.

(5.) Just curious what the published payload is for your new Ram? Also what options did you get?


(6.) Here are my stickers. No dancing. [1,072 lbs]

(7.) We've gone through the payload rating business and can't make much sense of it, too many variables.

(8.) There is no point in quoting the RAM Ecodiesel numbers.

Hi, this is why.

[jonnie3]

Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS

(1.) If you can deal with a lighter pay load, the RAM 1500 ecodiesel is a great choice.

(2.) Another Ram 1500 Ecodiesel here. Great match for a mid-size Airstream, great ride for us and our Airstream, and all the payload we ever needed

(3.) We did the research on payload, experimented with the driving and braking effects of full loads with and without the Airstream

(4.) Ram 1500 Ecodiesel would be a very well matched combination for our 25' Flying Cloud, a quality w.d. hitch setup, with all the carrying capacity we'll ever need.

(5.) Just curious what the published payload is for your new Ram? Also what options did you get?


(6.) Here are my stickers. No dancing. [1,072 lbs]

(7.) We've gone through the payload rating business and can't make much sense of it, too many variables.

(8.) There is no point in quoting the RAM Ecodiesel numbers.

Hi, this is why.

Max payload on a 2016 Ram 1500 crew cab with Ecodiesel 4X4 is just over 1100 lbs. 25FB tongue weighs 836 before adding in the hitch work. 1000 lbs when all is said and done. There is almost no more capacity left.