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Old 02-04-2008, 09:12 AM   #85
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I guess I just have a bad attitude about joining clubs, because it always seems that a few do all the work and the most reap the benefits. I also think you are correct that the old members dont care and the young dont have time. Paying money in dues to groups that dont care about its members dont appeal to me. I dont want to wear one of those Blue things anyway. We can have just as much fun with out it .
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:52 AM   #86
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I get junk mail everyday Im wondering how long it will take someone to sell my name to WBCCI .
It is my understanding that WBCCI is not in the habit of purchasing name lists for junk mailings.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:43 AM   #87
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I guess I just have a bad attitude about joining clubs, because it always seems that a few do all the work and the most reap the benefits. I also think you are correct that the old members dont care and the young dont have time. Paying money in dues to groups that dont care about its members dont appeal to me. I dont want to wear one of those Blue things anyway. We can have just as much fun with out it .
It's no doubt that in most organizations 10% of the people do 90% of the work. Just the same in sales groups. 10% of the people sell 90% of the product.

As far as paying money to folks who don't care.......The people in individual units care. Believe me, they care a lot. As for the higher-ups..you don't have to have anything to do with them. Let them basque in their ignorance.

Also, there is no doubt, that you can have just as much fun with your Airstream while not belonging to a club. The question is: Will you have just as much fun?

My wife and I are, like you, not joiners. However, we got hooked up with a couple of really active WBCCI units which have taken us many places we would not have given a thought to go on our own. So far, it's been a really fun ride.

Belonging greatly increases your options.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:40 PM   #88
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Yes but... unit dues are 1-20 dollars and no one begrudges their unit their fee but the other 55 dollars goes to the International level of government that allocates and disburses monies by their own decision. Even with a real healthy account in reserve their cry is for increasing dues because of falling membership and it also was mentioned as to why brand identity should be abandoned and the club opened to all brands of rvers for increased revenue. Now the units take care of their members and are the backbone of the club, the IBT channels a lot of money to use at their discretion. There are perks, allowances, giveaways, rewards, and appreciation benefits and that does not even cover mismanagement. The latest? In their wisdom the IBT decided printing and listing campgrounds that offer members discounts cost the club too much money. Their solution? charge the campgrounds $25.00? each to have the privilege to discount their rates to our members. Result? Instead of 500 listings for discounted campgrounds in 2007 there are now 50 in 2008. IBT Assessment? the club just saved money on printing costs. Impact upon members? Members have just lost valuable benefits. You get the idea. Where do I find things like this and club news? Not in the Blue Beret but over at SaveWally.org
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I agree.......It would be nice if the unit got all of the dues money. That would be nice. I agree that the money that does not stay in the unit is, for the most part, a big waste.

Hey, in order to be part of our society we all pay taxes, most of which is not spent the way we would wish, but that's the way it is. Yes, I know we don't have much of a choice when it comes to taxes, and we do have a choice whether or not to join the WBCCI.

If I have to pay the WBCCI money in order to belong to our unit, so be it. I may not like it, but that is the price I am willing to pay.
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If I have to pay the WBCCI money in order to belong to our unit, so be it. I may not like it, but that is the price I am willing to pay.
I could not agree more. I just wish I didn't have to get the blue beret. I feel obligated to read it and find it a waste of trees.
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I could not agree more. I just wish I didn't have to get the blue beret. I feel obligated to read it and find it a waste of trees.
But where would we learn about SkyMed? or that insurance company that is "tailored" to my needs?

No offense meant to the folks that put together the BB, but it needs a SERIOUS update to appeal to 47 year old youngsters like myself.
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But where would we learn about SkyMed? or that insurance company that is "tailored" to my needs?

No offense meant to the folks that put together the BB, but it needs a SERIOUS update to appeal to 47 year old youngsters like myself.
47 year old Youngster???????

Oh, yeah, right, sorry - that IS younger than me so ok, I take it back, ya young punk.

Ditto on the BB remarks .

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Hey........

It needs a serious update to appeal to 67 year olds like myself!
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It needs a serious update to appeal to 67 year olds like myself!
Oh man, here I am caught in the middle (age wise at least).

I enjoy those Skymed advertisements. They are full of such angst and passion, they are a true love story filled with great risk and adventure in the skies that comes to fulfillment in some compelling stories of survival as told by the actual people involved. It's their own raw story before Hollywood got it. Does it get any better than this? You bet, but not in the BB.

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Old 02-06-2008, 10:12 PM   #95
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I agree.......It would be nice if the unit got all of the dues money. That would be nice. I agree that the money that does not stay in the unit is, for the most part, a big waste.

Hey, in order to be part of our society we all pay taxes, most of which is not spent the way we would wish, but that's the way it is. Yes, I know we don't have much of a choice when it comes to taxes, and we do have a choice whether or not to join the WBCCI.

If I have to pay the WBCCI money in order to belong to our unit, so be it. I may not like it, but that is the price I am willing to pay.
Ditto, I could not have expressed this better. My husband and I are having so much fun with the NEU that I would pay double the yearly WBCCI dues to belong to our unit. Oh, please don't tell this to the folks in headquarters....
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Old 02-06-2008, 11:42 PM   #96
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And yet the situation of dwindling units and loss of membership is neither solved nor addressed in units that are happy and healthy within themselves, outside of those units there are disturbing problems. I bet Bostonians have always loved tea too...but... It is a unit's responsibility to look at their region and International representatives and scrutinize their actions and hold them accountable to the will of the membership. The IBT are not our monarchs they are our delgates to exercise our direction. Too long the tables have been turned upon us to the extent most do not even care but accept it as a necessary evil beyond control. I just don't understand taking no notice and going about your own business.

And excuse me Michelle, I know I followed after your post, but I do not mean you, I am speaking of a vast number of WBCCI members as a whole.
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Sorry I used a few sort of bad words..

Please excuse me, but I am tired of this thread...
Every time there is a thread about the WBCCI it goes in this direction, It starts with a little constructive talk, turns to blasting the the WBCCI, and continues to be a thread about how evil the IBT is and how old fashion the management of the club is and how evil the president is, and on and on. EVERY thread about the WBCCI goes this way, and personally I think that sucks. I guess I am one of the club members with his head stuck in the sand, for my unit is awesome. My unit gets "IT" and we have a great time. I just wish the negativity could be turned into something positive. I wish that instead of folks bitching, they would take action. You will only get out of it, what you put into it. I have lived that mantra my whole life.... Stop being a whiner and do something about it.

Another thing that I think sucks is how many non club members can voice so much crap about something they are not part of. I feel if you are not a part of it, well you really should save your opinion for something you are a part of.

Now please, send me those hate PM's, tell me what a jackass I am. This is my opinion and I am proud of it.... I am not sitting around being a big baby, I am taking action and getting active. Un like many, I put my money where my mouth is.
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62overlander,I agree with the content of your post and mentioned on the other forum that it seems that all WBCCI threads end up taking on a negative tone.This was not my intention in starting this thread.Actually it was the total opposite.
Not all current,past or potential members are lucky enough to be involved with a strong and forward thinking unit as the ones we are in.So personally I take the negative posts as confirmation that in a large part of the country WBCCI has some work to do ASAP before more units are lost.
A lot of people either can't or don't want to put the time and effort in to creating,revamping or maintaining a strong unit.Some want to have it already in place and that is understandable to me.I can only hope that more people will actually get involved for a stronger club in the future.
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