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Old 04-27-2013, 10:23 PM   #169
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Has a delegate from your unit been determined to carry your vote forward?

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The ballot is out to the 4CU members and voting will close May 10.

We will have a representative at Huron.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:06 AM   #170
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Hey Nuvite-F....similar to Oregon Unit. 88% against with 33% of respondents saying they would leave the club if the motion passed. Glad to hear your voice will be heard @ Huron.

Safe travels - look forward to seeing you there.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:20 AM   #171
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Obie...thanks for the BB letter shout out. We are out there, those who are passionate about our club and willing to step up to the plate and affect change. But we need our members support. It's important that your unit has a delegate at the International!

Nuvite, Howard....well done. This is the type of information we are looking for. Does anyone else have any numbers to report on voting? Bring this issue to your unit president's attention and make certain you have the opportunity to vote.

Keep those numbers rolling in; let us know if you have voted or will be voting!
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:28 PM   #172
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The true silver Airstream has been an icon for many generations. It is an institution representing many with individual ideas. It stands out from the rest of the pack. How many times have you been asked about your 'stream by a passerby? Yes, Airstreamers are admired for their individual thinking, not following the pack, supporting and preserving an icon.

As are Corvette's, do they allow Chevy's when the owners need a larger vehicle, NO. This example can be shown in many ways.

If this passes the Airstream club will be diluted to the point of non existance and the silver icon will be lost in a sea of white boxes. I do not want to belong to a Thor club.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:22 PM   #173
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I went to my first Rally this year. I heard this discussion more than once and also on this board in one form or another but not just about motor home inclusion. The tradition is to have an Airstream only group. The "traditionals" want to make sure there is autonomy and group benefit. I understand that. It was cool to see over 300 silver trailers together. I like that tradition. It had an historical presence too with the vintage area. ***The other side of the coin though is that Airstream as a group thing is dying out. They said so at the Rally. They had over 1000 in 2000 or so and the number keeps going down. Market share, cost, etc all play a part in that. When I was at the big show in Tampa this year I heard person after person around the Airstreams talk about how neat they looked BUT they also made comments about no slides, not enough beds for the family, too tight inside, too much $$$, etc. We like Airstreams obviously but there are many options out there. My thought is that Thor or someone should corral the travel group into a different heading and have SIG groups, one of which would be Airstream. That way there could still be autonomy and group benefit but also incorporate others and increase opportunities for all. They mentioned at the Rally that the numbers were so low that paying for the facility becomes a problem with few campers. We need something worth visiting if a groupie thing is going to exist. Perhaps Wally Byam's Club can get off the brand and onto the spirit of camping that he encouraged. One vintage owner shared with me about the motorhome fiasco and how some people bought motorhomes and suddenly could no longer be in WBCCI. I am not sure what way would be best to open the door to non Airstreamers but I believe it must be consolidated in some way or they will die out.

When you go to a car show, they put like with like quite often. Corvette group, Mustang group, etc. They have autonomy within the bigger group "Hot Rods" so it needs to be with Airstream. StreamNTyme, an Airstream will always be an Airstream. Perhaps WBCCI should remain AIRSTREAM only. I do not know but some part of it at least should be open for growth and benefit to all.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:27 PM   #174
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Wally was onto caravans, camping was a part of it. The first caravans had dif types of trailers in them, but this was changed to AS only, as it should be. Jim
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Rod, it is true that Airstream has a smaller market share than they used to have, but a good deal of that is simply that there are more SOB companies and many more RVs out there than there used to be. And, of course, WBCCI has shrunk in size (sometimes due to its own actions, though that may be debated in some quarters). But die out? Kind of doubtful. Airstream Inc. is still thriving in its niche market. WBCCI also serves this niche market, and many feel that that's exactly the market that it should be serving. Uniquely.


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There are many other clubs for other brands. Why should these many brands be included in WBCCI?
Airstream is Airstream.
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:27 PM   #177
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Airstream's market share may be shrinking but the number of Airstreams is not. They are selling everything they build. The number of owners joining WBCCI is also shrinking not because of market share but because WBCCI is not offering what the owners need or want. It may be politics or attitude or simply the way they operate. The only thing for sure is WBCCI needs to act in the best interest of the majority members not just the few. The majority has said no to Thor Moho's several times but nobody listens.
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"The other side of the coin though is that Airstream as a group thing is dying out. They said so at the Rally. They had over 1000 in 2000 or so and the number keeps going down. Market share, cost, etc all play a part in that. When I was at the big show in Tampa this year I heard person after person around the Airstreams talk about how neat they looked BUT they also made comments about no slides, not enough beds for the family, too tight inside, too much $$$, etc."

The last large FMCA International rally that I worked at had 5500 motorhomes of all sizes, types and descriptions; that was in 2007. The same rally in the same location 5 years later had a meager 2000 units attending and attendance has been dropping ever since.

This has been the trend across all of the RV industry, not just with Airstream.

Sorry, but that is NOT an acceptable reason to include THOR products in the brand-specific WBCCI. Either you have an Airstream club or you don't!
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:02 AM   #179
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Thor offers the following Class A models:
Ace, Windsport, Daybreak, Hurricane, Challenger, Outlaw, Palazzo, Tuscany.
They include a membership to the Thor club.
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Lewster's right: Membership is dropping like mad in FMCA. A good friend of ours is on their board (something like the IBT, I guess), and he reports all manner of discussions there to deal with the membership issue.

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Old 04-29-2013, 07:31 AM   #181
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The other side of the coin though is that Airstream as a group thing is dying out. They said so at the Rally. They had over 1000 in 2000 or so and the number keeps going down.
Getting smaller is not the same thing as dying out. There are any number of reasons why rally attenance might decline, that have nothing at all to do with WBCCI membership.

There is a push in WBCCI to attract a younger demographic, rather than the predominantly retired elderly demographic presently dominating the WBCCI. Not a strong push because the elderly folks in charge want to remain in charge and guide the young'uns on the proper path…

Part and parcel with the younger demographic comes the fact that these new, younger members more than likely still work for a living, and so cannot take time off for a rally whenever the mood strikes them. For someone who has limited time off from work in one stretch, it might take half their vacation time just to get to the big national rallies, and the other half to get home again, with no time left for the rally itself in between.

Working stiffs who buy an Airstream don't do it to make one big trip a year and let the trailer sit in the driveway the other eleven months; they do it to make lots of little trips whenever they can get a long weekend off. As one of those working stiffs, I will only attend rallies that require a single day on the road to get there, and a single day to return. My shortest rally to date has been a three-day weekend, with a six-hour drive to get there. Lots of fun, but between loading up, driving, setting up, breaking camp, driving home, and unpacking, I spent as many waking hours to and from as I did at the rally proper. But as long as my boss has a say in when I travel, that's the way it's got to be.

So, unless WBCCI commits to being a retirees-only club in perpetuity, they had better expect attendance at the big national rallies to decline, and had better fill in the gaps with more Unit and Regional rallies that don't require five days on the road just to arrive.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:43 AM   #182
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IMO WBCCI 'full' membership should be limited to Airstream trailers (perhaps also Argosy, squarestream and Classic MOHO). And while I have never been on a caravan, I believe those should be limited to Airstream trailers and the above close relatives.

However, rallies should be open to anyone interested in Airstreams to include Airstream motor homes and any other RV. Perhaps there could be an 'affiliate' membership class.

The Airstream experience is not about the Airstream brand, it is about the shiny silver shape. Should Airstream at some point decide to build square white boxes with graphics, those also should not be full members in WBCCI.

Wally Byam originally was trying to build the 'best' travel trailer. Now, Airstream builds an iconic image and that is what we love. And, while membership is dropping in WBCCI, sales of the iconic Airstream are continually increasing both in the US and internationally. Everyone purchasing an Airstream new or used does it because we love the iconic image. Let WBCCI represent that image. People buying Airstream's are not just buying a travel trailer. They specifically want an Airstream. WBCCI should position itself as a desirable organization for every single owner of an Airstream travel trailer.
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