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07-26-2017, 11:37 AM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
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That was a long build-up to the turn over.... many oscillations - I'm sure the driver would have known there was a sway issue happening... he or she likely didn't know how to deal with it though (manually apply trailer breaks, etc..)
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07-26-2017, 11:59 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
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Hi
The first sway happens about 2 seconds in. I suppose there could have been other things going on before the start of the video. At about 9 seconds he's still in some sort of control. At least the sway is not building at that point. By 14 seconds it's all over. Six seconds does not sound like much, but if you time it off, it's a lot of time. This went on for quite a while. At a mile a minute, 6 seconds gets you far enough to be across the other 5 lanes and into the trees ...
Bob
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07-26-2017, 12:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
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Monza, if you come over here from your closed thread, it seems as if the camera was not a dash cam, but was hand-held IMO.
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Originally Posted by OTRA15
Thanks. Also interesting that the video appears to have been made by the driver hand-holding the camera IMO -- perhaps another distracted driving accident just down the road, averted by the roll-over in front stopping him!
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07-26-2017, 12:46 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
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Hi
Best guess is that the TV was a Ford Expedition. It's roughly in the "6,000 pound towing" class. After many views (and looking at the wreck cleanup video) ... still no idea what the trailer make and model was.
I still find the total lack of any brakes somewhat amazing (unless the trailer simply was not plugged in at all). The normal reflex is to put on the brakes. Watching the rest of traffic zoom by them, they were either already going slow or slowing down ....
Bob
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07-26-2017, 01:40 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2017 30' Flying Cloud
Pleasant City
, Ohio
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 133
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Now now - don't you dare say anything about the limits of an expedition........that thing has independent rear suspension - put a good hitch on it and it will tow aaaaaaaaanything........haha
Hope everyone involved is ok!
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07-26-2017, 02:18 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KCCO
Now now - don't you dare say anything about the limits of an expedition........that thing has independent rear suspension - put a good hitch on it and it will tow aaaaaaaaanything........haha
Hope everyone involved is ok!
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Hi
I would not *dare* soil the reputation of *any* SUV
We actually drove Explorers and Expeditions for a number of years. I never tried to tow anything that big with them. I certainly pulled around small stuff a number of times. The Expedition was fine for cruising down the road with the kids in back.
AFIK, nobody was injured in the accident. That was reported on one of the other videos. I'm guessing they must have at least had seat belts on. Nothing I have seen from a news outlet so far has anything rational about the cause of the accident. (Yes I could shorten that up a bit .. )
Bob
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07-26-2017, 02:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
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Having DONE roughly the same thing to my former Airstream - I can personally attest that the elapsed time between the realization that there is a problem and hitting the embankmemt was not long enough to say OH SH**! more than twice. I had deliberately placed my brake controller less than six inches from my right hand and reached for it as I started rolling. IT JUST HIT ME that in a panic situation letting GO of the steering wheel with one hand is a pretty unnatural act. My truck has hand controls to change sound levels on music... but I still have to reach for the brake controller. Might do better to have a "deadman" switch that would activate beakes and flashers when your hand comes loose. (kidding but only slightly.
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07-26-2017, 02:29 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
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Hi
I think that a lot of us would be interested in the driver's take on what was happening in this particular case. There's been some speculation about this and that. With no information, we've done what everybody always does. Maybe at some point there will be a follow up. I'm pretty sure right now the poor person is still very shook up.
Bob
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07-26-2017, 02:35 PM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
, More Than Anywhere Else
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Foiled Again
Might do better to have a "deadman" switch that would activate beakes and flashers when your hand comes loose. (kidding but only slightly.
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If the tow vehicle has an automatic transmission so you only need one foot to drive, the ideal solution would be a foot pedal for the brake controller, positioned conveniently to the left foot. Kind of the way they used to do the high/low headlight switch before they put it on a stalk on the steering column…
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07-26-2017, 02:35 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari
Southwest VA
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 101
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
I think that a lot of us would be interested in the driver's take on what was happening in this particular case. There's been some speculation about this and that. With no information, we've done what everybody always does. Maybe at some point there will be a follow up. I'm pretty sure right now the poor person is still very shook up.
Bob
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Very true. I know what it *looks like* as far as the size of the TV and the trailer etc. But I really don't know for sure either. My heart goes out to them because maybe this is their dream and now it is wrecked. I'm so glad they're ok.
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07-26-2017, 03:12 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
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I do not know what is worse, the avoidable accident or the fool driving and videoing the incident with his hand held phone/camera.
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07-26-2017, 03:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AWCHIEF
I do not know what is worse, the avoidable accident or the fool driving and videoing the incident with his hand held phone/camera.
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Good point--video from a dash camera--makes sense. Handheld video--against the law in many states, assuming a cell phone. This does look handheld.
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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07-26-2017, 03:40 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Berlin
, Maryland
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Yes, there are a lot of other observations one could make.
As the OP stated there are lot of observations one can make. From speed to texting to everything else in between. So for me the take away from all of this is to drive at a speed safe for the conditions and just maybe at or just under the speed limit. I know this sounds like apple pie and motherhood but I often have to remind myself to slow down as the goal is to get there safely.
Be safe out there and enjoy the journey.
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07-26-2017, 03:44 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
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Traveling, as a friend of mine once said, "...for apple pie and motherhood, and against sin.." is probably the best bet. (Good old boy, Mr. J. J. Adkins--I miss that Southern gentleman!)
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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07-26-2017, 04:15 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
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Hi
It *would* be interesting to actually know (as opposed to guess .... as I have done) the speed when the sway set in. I'm not interested enough in the answer to drive over and measure the distances involved to compute the answer though ....
Of course, with that data you still only have part of the answer. The hitch, the trailer, and the setup of the TV all got into the act at some level.
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Hey !!!! It's on INSIDE EDITION tonight !!! I just saw the clip flash up.
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07-26-2017, 04:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
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Thanks for the heads up:
http://www.insideedition.com/headlin...-hitch-them-to
The driver says a tire blew according to the voice-over. Most of the remaining footage is other pap and pablum drama reportage IMO.
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07-26-2017, 04:30 PM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
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I'm sure a tire did blow on the driver's side of the trailer as it started to tip over (around the 15-second mark). But methinks he has cause and effect mixed up. The rollover caused the blowout, not the blowout cause the rollover. Standard disclaimer #3 applies: the opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of management.
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07-26-2017, 04:53 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
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Hi
I think you can see all the tires on the TV *after* things come to a stop. They all seem to be intact. Before the roll over, the trailer tires come into view as things swing. None of them seem to be blown. I agree that *after* the roll over the trailer tires are indeed a mess.
Given the precision of a lot of TV reporting, the driver may have said something very different than what the voice over reports. Certainly my local station tangled things up quite a bit yesterday.
Bob
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07-26-2017, 07:06 PM
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diesel maniac
Airstream - Other
Tucson
, AZ
Join Date: May 2017
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If that really was cell phone video the phone had to have been in some type of mount, the video is too steady to be hand held. Also the video starts before any swaying really happens which indicates the phone was already filming, no one could grab a phone that fast and start recording. Another possibility is that is really was a dash cam and after stopping the driver pulled it off it's mount to save the video before it got lost or recorded over. My dash cam has a button to push in order to prevent an important event from getting over-written, it saves the last clip in a special folder.
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07-26-2017, 07:12 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
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There is too much camera motion IMO for it to be a dash cam locked to the dash. Not much motion, but just enough to have been hand-held, probably with his hand resting on the wheel or dash. The newer phones have some stabilization software that minimizes the motion, but at some points the image rocks a bit "off level" compared to the rest of the video.
It is subtle, but the camera sweeps right/left and up/down quite a few times -- I just watched again -- right from the beginning. Highly likely it was hand-held IMO.
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