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Old 02-22-2014, 12:27 PM   #85
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Thanks Ken.

Skater, is it fixed and what was the problem?

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Old 02-22-2014, 12:38 PM   #86
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Maybe the seat was too far back.
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Old 02-23-2014, 08:21 AM   #87
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Thanks Ken.

Skater, is it fixed and what was the problem?

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Sorry, I had forgotten about this thread.

I don't know if it's fixed yet - it didn't do it last time I drove it in the cold, but it had had a few minutes to warm up (cue the screams - but we were at home, and a "few minutes" was perhaps 5 minutes that time, because I was specifically trying to test this). We don't drive the truck regularly. Turns out the issue might have been some bad injectors keeping the engine from developing enough power for the computer to shift the transmission...or something like that.

Look, I'm not a fan of an idling diesel engine, believe me. It drives me nuts. I've said several times my next one will be gas because of the noise (although the newer ones are quieter) and other gripes. I told my wife the other day that I might go with a hand crank jack instead of power because of the noise if ours ever dies...she didn't seem thrilled with that idea, or the idea of moving from a diesel.

The issue is that the campground we usually cold-weather camp in (and our house, for that matter) is near some fairly busy roads, and it's not a big campground that takes a long time to get out of. The last thing I want to do is get into an accident because I had to pull out in traffic, then discover that the truck won't get above 10 mph on a 40 mph road. I'm hoping the several thousand dollars we spent on the truck just recently fixes the issue, believe me, because it's also not quite clear how long it takes before it'll shift - sometimes it's not an issue at all; other times I've been out on those busy roads, wondering if it'll shift or if someone will hit me first. If it were a larger campground, I wouldn't have a problem with starting it then just driving away, knowing it would likely warm up before we got out of the campground.

I don't know what time everyone thinks we get moving, but 9 a.m. is usually the earliest we'd have to go somewhere. That is sleeping in, to us. We're not out there at 6 a.m. making a racket. And, frankly, I look around campgrounds, and pretty much everyone else has trucks similar to mine, which have already been moved that morning, so...

And, as I said before, which was apparently ignored in favor of piling on, "warming up" is 5-10 minutes, at most. We're not talking half an hour here. I hate burning expensive diesel fuel that way. During our last trip I think I started the truck about 5 minutes before we went out of the camper, then I spent a few minutes getting snow off and winding up the block heater extension cord.

In warmer weather, we don't idle it more than the few moments you'd idle any vehicle before driving off while you're getting your seat belt fastened and such.

I don't intend to change my ways. Any more than other people drive too fast through campgrounds, cut through sites, ride their Harleys, allow their dogs to roam free and **** on my campsite (had that happen last spring), or any one of the other million things that people do that annoy each other. I at least can explain why I let my vehicle warm up a few minutes, and it's a safety issue.

I fail to understand what any of this has to do with heat pump noise.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:45 AM   #88
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Idling 5 or 10 minutes (or even longer) at 9:00 AM or later shouldn't bother anyone. Idling for an hour starting at 4:30 AM, well that is different.

In this world, no matter what a person does there will be critics.
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Another thread that got off topic, sorry. Jim
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Idling 5 or 10 minutes (or even longer) at 9:00 AM or later shouldn't bother anyone. Idling for an hour starting at 4:30 AM, well that is different.

In this world, no matter what a person does there will be critics.
Maybe it shouldn't, but it certainly would bother me, especially if you were near me and the wind was blowing in my direction. Everyone seems to be only concerned with the noise, which is just a PITA. Breathing exhaust fumes is a health hazard. Internal combustion engines, even with all the pollution devices, emit a bunch of noxious gases, especially when warming up.

In this world, no matter how tolerant a person is, there will always be someone doing something thoughtless.

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Old 02-23-2014, 11:26 AM   #91
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Another thread that got off topic, sorry. Jim

There is a distinct advantage in some situations to "off topic posts".

In the case of another thread going on right now, the OP asked a question that only a very few people would be able to answer. It was a question about experiences with a particular model of a type of equipment. If only people who had that definitive experience replied, the thread would drop off the portal and into obscurity.

In this case the OP simply related a situation in which a neighboring camper complained about his heat pump noise. Since no specific questions were asked, my impression was he was soliciting general comments about how to deal with campground etiquette.

In a lot of other cases, the original specific topic has been beaten to death and has evolved into something different. Why start a whole new thread?

Any human conversation starts out with a given topic and then evolves as it takes place. Why should forum threads be any different?

As far as I am concerned if it would be polite in a verbal conversation, it should be polite in a forum.

If there are complaints about off topic posts, they should be coming from the originator of the thread. (my opinion)

This post is good example of what could be easily criticized and I would not argue about it?

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Old 02-23-2014, 01:03 PM   #92
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I agree with Ken. Threads frequently go off topic if you define the topic narrowly. Discussion is dynamic and trying to quash a good conversation because it wanders is to deny human nature.

Skater, thanks for answering the question as best as you can now. Sounds like the injectors had been ready for servicing for a while and that (mysteriously?) affected shifting. Let us know how it works out when you get a chance to test it in really cold weather—I think it is coming back to the East.

I still think you do not need to warm up any engine for even a few minutes any more. Additionally, it wastes fuel and does pollute the area. But it is unlikely either Ken or I will ever be camped next to you since we live 2,000 miles apart. Good luck with that transmission—I appreciate the safety concerns you have and if you still have troubles, have the tranny checked thoroughly.

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I totally disagree! Off topic talk often leads to confusion on the OP part. Too many experts. Jim
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I totally disagree! Off topic talk often leads to confusion on the OP part. Too many experts. Jim
I'm sorry, but I find your disagreement disagreeable. In fact since you totally disagree, I find it totally disagreeable.

My intent was to help your self esteem, by saying that you had not committed an offense. However, in the future, I will allow you to continue apologizing without interference. I will withdraw my support so as not to cause conflict.

As for me, I shall continue to wander off topic blissfully as I do not consider myself an expert, no do I expect others will.

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I'm sorry, but I find your disagreement disagreeable. In fact since you totally disagree, I find it totally disagreeable.

My intent was to help your self esteem, by saying that you had not committed an offense. However, in the future, I will allow you to continue apologizing without interference. I will withdraw my support so as not to cause conflict.

As for me, I shall continue to wander off topic blissfully as I do not consider myself an expert, no do I expect others will.

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Take it to the Argument thread :-)
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Take it to the Argument thread :-)

I was thinking about it, but decided it would be too hard to drag everyone else with me. Another thought would be to take the whole topic to Masseyfarms's Any topic thread, then the whole issue would be moot.

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My self esteem is fine, yours? I agree with your disagreement, but I also disagree with your disagreement on my disagreement. Oh heck!, this is fun, no hard feelings. Jim
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My self esteem is fine, yours? I agree with your disagreement, but I also disagree with your disagreement on my disagreement. Oh heck!, this is fun, no hard feelings. Jim
Naw, my self esteem has always sucked. I'm so humble, sometimes I just can't believe it.

No hard feelings ever. I just like to mince words, not emotions.

Now I think we are off topic on the "off topic" topic.

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