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Old 02-05-2006, 07:59 PM   #239
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Simplify!

Now that I am an interested outsider I will say the name needs to be simplified and WBCCI is dated and does need to be changed. AOAI is too much of a mouth full as was WBCCI. I want to hum "Old MacDonald's Farm" when I read it. Why the need to say International? There is little focus today on those famous Wally Byam Caravans overseas. Why not just say Airstream Owner's Association and use the tag AOA? Three letters is a lot easier to say and work with and AOA is symetrical--another plus.

Also, come up with a more contemporary logo. You can easily create a logo profile image instantly identifiable of the famous Airstream design without resorting to a literal image of a specific trailer. What I have seen so far is what a local print shop copy designer would do for a small two-bit dealership in West Nowhere, USA.

My god people get with it and match the great design of the Airstream itself. Also dump those blue berets and go to a cool silver ball cap with a great simplified logo that will be instantly identifiable.
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Old 02-05-2006, 08:33 PM   #240
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So can anyone say in simple terms and less than 50 words, exactly what ordinary members of the club-formerly-known-as-WBCCI can do right now to oppose this silly new name? Seems like it is an unstoppable freight train at this point.

Write letters?
Send email?
Picket at the International Rally?
Civil disobedience?
or just gripe endlessly here on a forum that has no real influence on the club leadership?
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Old 02-05-2006, 08:54 PM   #241
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So can anyone say in simple terms and less than 50 words, exactly what ordinary members of the club-formerly-known-as-WBCCI can do right now to oppose this silly new name? Seems like it is an unstoppable freight train at this point.

Write letters?
Send email?
Picket at the International Rally?
Civil disobedience?
or just gripe endlessly here on a forum that has no real influence on the club leadership?
I plan on attending the next major rally, finding as many club officers as I can, and explain to them politely, and in no uncertain terms what I think of such a boneheaded manuever!
If that won't work, maybe after the name change, we people that don't like the new name for the old club can always form another one. It can be based on caravanning around the world in our Airstreams, and at the same time honoring the man that started both the Airstream company, and touring the world in our trailers. I even have, after much research and deliberation, discovered a name we could use for our new club. it would be a name derived from the name of the man that founded Airstream, Wally Byam. It would also denote that we enjoy traveling, or caravanning, in our trailers. Since it would hopefully be a worldwide club, it would be international in scope.
Therefore, the name of the new club would be the Wally Byam Caravan Club International, we could use the initials...
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Old 02-05-2006, 09:13 PM   #242
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So can anyone say in simple terms and less than 50 words, exactly what ordinary members of the club-formerly-known-as-WBCCI can do right now to oppose this silly new name? Seems like it is an unstoppable freight train at this point.

Write letters?
Send email?
Picket at the International Rally?
Civil disobedience?
or just gripe endlessly here on a forum that has no real influence on the club leadership?
Some of that sounds like fun...LOL

Simplist? Just look at your newsletter and e-mail your officers and ask about the vote and tell them how you stand.

Want more? Help to get the word out, it is NOT too late, some may not even be aware that the name is trying to be changed.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:22 AM   #243
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The Carnival Club

Channel 8 News covered our Vintage Rally last weekend. They billed us on the air as the Wally Byam Carnival Club. Best argument for a name change I have heard in a long time!

By the way, the general feeling regarding the name change in every member I have been in contact with is "Fine".
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:57 AM   #244
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By the way, the general feeling regarding the name change in every member I have been in contact with is "Fine".
That's odd - the experience I am having is quite the opposite. Everybody I am talking to is opposed to the name change.

So much for using anecdotal examples as the consensus opinion on any topic, huh?

BTW, Are the people you are talking to aware that the new name proposed completely departs from the original motion to only ADD airstream to the name? Do you mention that to them or only just mention that you/they favor any name change at all.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:13 AM   #245
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Channel 8 News covered our Vintage Rally last weekend. They billed us on the air as the Wally Byam Carnival Club. Best argument for a name change I have heard in a long time!

By the way, the general feeling regarding the name change in every member I have been in contact with is "Fine".
ROFL

That's rich John. Thanks for passing on the funny. I can't stop laughing. Well you must admit Wally was a sight on the little bike. Do you do any tricks? I know we have a sword swallowing couple in the club, and Obie the clown.

Our local unit meeting showed unanimous support against the name change. But then we do not have the higher higher officers in our unit.

However if everyone changed their name everytime the press mutilated a name, there would be a lot of people with new names. Goodness our station can't even get the news feed right.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:15 AM   #246
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BTW, Are the people you are talking to aware that the new name proposed completely departs from the original motion to only ADD airstream to the name? Do you mention that to them or only just mention that you/they favor any name change at all.
The people I am referring to heard the current name proposal two days ago directly from the International 3rd VP and they were a large part of our unit and, by far, the most active part of the unit. They are all quite aware of the original proposal.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:24 AM   #247
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The people I am referring to heard the current name proposal two days ago directly from the International 3rd VP and they were a large part of our unit and, by far, the most active part of the unit. They are all quite aware of the original proposal.
Hmm, I wonder if those members are aware of ALL the the issues like:
  1. Deviation from the original motion
  2. Cost associated with the name change
  3. No marketing survey done to validate the name change
  4. No evidence to prove that numbers will increase after the change.
  5. Etc, etc, etc...
I wonder just what does an International 3rd VP tell people when discussing the name change... Did the 3rd VP offer any opposing viewpoints on the matter? We did at a presentation at our meeting. We stated the facts as they were documented (on these forums) making sure that the supporting viewpoint was presented not in a negative light but in a neutral light. Did the International 3rd VP do that as well?? or did he just tell the supporting viewpoint.

I find it interesting that when presented with ALL the facts and issues, members tend to not support the name change (at least as evidenced by these forums and by my experience).
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Old 02-09-2006, 02:01 PM   #248
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Still Have Questions

I notice that the questions I posed to John went unanswered even though he has been on the forums several times. I am disappointed but I still have questions about the Int. 3rd VP's presentation.

What justification (if any) was given for the modification to the original motion to only add airstream to the name. Or did it just go that way???


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Hmm, I wonder if those members are aware of ALL the the issues like:
  1. Deviation from the original motion
  2. Cost associated with the name change
  3. No marketing survey done to validate the name change
  4. No evidence to prove that numbers will increase after the change.
  5. Etc, etc, etc...
I wonder just what does an International 3rd VP tell people when discussing the name change... Did the 3rd VP offer any opposing viewpoints on the matter? We did at a presentation at our meeting. We stated the facts as they were documented (on these forums) making sure that the supporting viewpoint was presented not in a negative light but in a neutral light. Did the International 3rd VP do that as well?? or did he just tell the supporting viewpoint.

I find it interesting that when presented with ALL the facts and issues, members tend to not support the name change (at least as evidenced by these forums and by my experience).
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Old 02-09-2006, 02:24 PM   #249
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In the process of a 5-minute talk, the 3rd VP gave a simple statement of the results of the IBT and that the name change would be brought to a vote at unit level. Simply that. No pros, no cons, no arguments, no questions, no controversy.

The majority of the WBCCI world do not have their panties in a bunnch over this subject.
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Old 02-09-2006, 03:47 PM   #250
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Do you know how officer are selected/elected?? Apparently not. EVERY member has a vote, and if your unit does it right, your individual vote is counted and recorded. Have your Unit President find the process in the Constitution - - and follow it!!
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Old 02-09-2006, 04:13 PM   #252
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I tried to stay away from this topic - I did - I really did - but I just can not!!!

You know the funny thing is something similar happened at our winter luncheon - that was attended by over 100 members from our unit (nope again I was not in attendance - shucks!!!) A bit too expensive for just for a dinner - would have cost us around $300 with the stay over gas & meals.

To somewhat the same words - IBT bla bla bla "name change" bla bla bla and will be voted on at our Spring Rally - end of statement.....not a single question, raised eyebrow, or comment.

a) indifference
b) don't care
c) not aware of the change, to shy to question
d) waiting to receive some information before passing judgment/vote
e) want the new name AOAI

I would bet my life that a),b)& c) would outweigh e) in a heart beat. But sure hope that d) is the cause of the silence.

And the neigh sayers here - including myself - are vocal because we have been caught not with our panties in a twist - but have been caught with our pants down!

If you look closely - you will see several members who are very vocal in this are recent joiners to the club - coming into the process in mid swing. While we grab a quick beer, struggle to find our seats, glance at the program - the batter just hit a grand-slam - from outside the batters box! But the game goes on....The existing crowd are split - half does not care they just want to see someone hit the ball and players running the bases rules or no rules - the other half don't care - cause they are out and about and watching a ball game with friends. The movie Logan's Run comes to mind and the Carousel.

It is the people who question, who want to understand, need to know the reasoning and above all need the justification to make such radical decisions that are being called the "trouble makers" and that we have our panties in a twist. What has this place become?

Is it fair to line up and just follow the person in front of you off a cliff?

Our delegates let this happen last year - they let a motion come forth that changed from its original intent - the fact that the IBT allowed it to happen without a point of order or question is scary enough - but then the new motion has been interpreted by IBT completely different to that of the majority of the delegates present. How can this stuff happen? - why do we let it happen and why does no one other than a few here really stand up and say - hey wait just a damn minute. Are we sure we know what we are doing and what the consequences will be. Where does the accountability rest??? I am a paying member and I want answers...

Look closely folks I appeal to you - we are asking very serious questions all over these threads and there are NO answers coming from anywhere - we are not just asking here either - of course we are asking our Presidents our Delegates, our Regions and NO ONE is coming up with anything or has anything to justify what is coming down the pipe.

Will the rationale/justification or reasoning be spelled out in a future blue beret if so why was it not presented before the initial motion. Ah good question - because the first motion was - do we want to change the name and add airstream. Yep we got passed that one - and then we gave a directive to IBT to do their research - find a good place in the club name to stick the word Airstream and tell us exactly how this is going to affect us and how much it will cost and the best way to implement the change.

Yoooo Mama - we have a vote now staring us in the face to a completely new name and I now see a new logo is rumored to be on its way too. And with what backup - not one shread of info, no letters, no documents why there is nothing to even represent a general discussion of a sampling of members on this topic. Why sure we did - we talked at the local level a 100 times about should we add the word Airstream to our name.......

Come on is it me - am I stuck in a Stepford Wives movie here. I have heard of the generation before ours being referred to as the "Silent Generation" but this is beyond comprehension.....

Do you think there might even be a separate document from the IBT addressed directly to the Unit Presidents on its way prior to March 30th that will state anything beyond listing motions to be voted on??

We are coming up to the final vote this spring! - and there is no professional or otherwise logical information printed anywhere that justifies the need, want or requirement for a change other than adding Airstream to the existing name that came from the membership and AOAI that has come from the IBT

So far I have seen the following comments used by the pro-AOAI
- the word Carnival mistaken for the word Caravan
- no one knows who Wally Byam is - Lame neither did I until I joined the club but I sure as heck new I was joining an Airstream club without having the name in it - pretty hard to miss the trailer.
- AOAI will increase membership closest to a rationale but where is the HOW?

I challenged people to come up with the pros for the AOAI - None came forth - I asked the region for background information and nothing is available other than the "motion" I ask my president and - "well we have been mumbling about adding Airstream for years"....I come here and see a lot of people against with some pretty good reasons, justification and rationale.
But those for the new name use Wally bashing comments - to old, out dated and so on - but none of this is rationale or justification for change

Is the name not working??? What has changed - I get it Wally did not invent the Airstream, we don't go on any Caravans anymore, we have changed from a Club to an Association?? Come on people... it has worked for 50 years so all of a sudden it has stopped working because the membership numbers are dropping???? I sure do not look that dumb do I ???

If there is research and documentation out there that can justify AOAI - all you Yeah sayers - then please come on, give it to us Neigh sayers, so you can once and for all shut us up.......

And there is my 5 minute talk
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