2016 Ford F150 vs F250

[Bruce B]

Originally Posted by gypsydad

Diesel vs gas; F150 is rumored to be coming out with the 8-10 speed automatic...paired with the Echoboost; should have improved gas mileage; already plenty of torque there and no diesel issues in cold weather. Just saying...

The general fuel mileage figures I hear people reporting with EcoBoost Fords are not in reality any better than Fords non EcoBoost. The beauty of the engine is its light weight and incredible power output. I'm sure the 10 speed will help on all levels but I don't believe fuel mileage is really going to ever be that good when it is so much fun to step on the gas pedal! That would be my problem with driving an EcoBoost

[dznf0g]

Originally Posted by Bruce B

Your 21.6 is something I'll never see in my 5.4 F-150 but it seems that most people post similar numbers to what you are seeing towing the various size Airstreams.
We've just driven from New England to Florida towing our Bambi and we saw an average of 12.8 (hand calculated) mpg's...

Most people I've personally asked, who tow with the current generation 250/2500 diesels claim about the same numbers towing...

I will be interested in seeing how it all works out but I remain skeptical... Of course I have been known to be wrong a few times...
BB

I have towed with several 2500 Duramax trucks (6 speed, of course) and I only saw about 1 mpg higher numbers while solo and towing (post DPF trucks). I waffled for a long time when deciding gas vs. diesel. 6.2 L, 8 speed maxtow won out, when balancing all variables....for me and my duty cycle demands. I just wish I had 2 - 300 more pounds payload. I'm ok with all the "stuff" I load up, but i'm just about at max RGAWR and payload.

[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by Bruce B

I am a little curious... Why do more horsepower and torque mean better fuel mileage? I am guessing but this sounds a little optimistic...
Am I missing something here?
BB

Man, you could tow vertical with that machine.

[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by franklyfrank

Man, you could tow vertical with that machine.

Of course for the kind of money they cost you should be able to.
One thing though, owning and maintaining a diesel in the long run can also be very expensive.

[Ahab]

Originally Posted by BambiTex

Would recommend EcoBoost V6 rather than 5L.

I'll second that.

[Moflash]

Not much that difference in maintenance.I have had two Ford 6.7 turbo diesels and will not be going back to a gas tow vehicle any time soon.They cost more to buy but the resale is higher so you get it back when trade.There is big difference in the overall towing experience when pulling a larger trailer.We have a 28ft international and pull approximately 12-15000 miles per year.


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[paiceman]

Originally Posted by KWN306

I have a buddy with a 2015 SD F250 diesel with 4:10 gears and empty he gets 13 - 14 mpg, pulling his 27' AS he gets 10 - 11 mpg. He has had it back to Ford 3 times because of bad fuel consumption and they tell him it is all the emission controls on the newer diesel motors that are killing the fuel mileage. He is not a happy camper after spending $62K on a truck.

You can tell your friend that his low mileage is due to his gearing in the rear end. We have an F350 6.7 with a 3.31 rear end which we ordered as this vehicle is my daily driver. We tow a 30' 2015 FC. We get, hand calculated average around 21 MPG on the highway not towing and 13.8 average towing. I can get as high as 15mpg towing if I keep the truck at about 55mph, but I seldom do. Usually around 65mph.

We have had Super Duties in the past with higher rear ends and 30' AS and realized we did not need the 4.10 at all and could easily tow just about anything we want with the lower rear, which we can. Across country last year and all up and down the Rockies and Cascades not one issue with towing ability or down hill engine braking ability.

Bud

[Noggin]

Originally Posted by frthompson

These have been great replies to my original post. I currently have a Tundra and have reluctantly decided to give it up because of its limited payload once we by our Airstream. So from these posts and others on the forum I've decide to more seriously consider the 3.5L Ecoboost option in a F150 and to test drive a F250 to see how we'd like it for our driving when not towing. Since I'm not in a hurry, I think I'll wait and see what the new Titan XD with the 5 L Cummins looks like this spring, and if it maybe hits a sweet spot between a 1/2 ton gas engine and 3/4 ton diesel.

If you're still looking at this thread may I suggest another option - the F-350 Powerstroke Diesel. We had the F-150 V-8 6.2L and had no issues ever in towing but came oh so close to payload capacity. While at our Ford dealer for servicing our other vehicle (yes we are Ford people!!) we started the look for a new TV. I didn't want to give up the comfort ride of our 150 but ....... The new super duty diesels were on the lot and the next thing you know we're test driving an F-250 diesel! After ALOT of research done by my hubbie we make the shift to getting the F-350 diesel with all the towing, payload and any other "issue" you can think of covered! But the real decision was made by the test drive, and I can assure you I am loving the comfort ride of our new TV, now known as "The Pearl"!
Annette

[lahrfarm]

The rumor about a F 150 diesel with a 10 speed trans sounds interesting to me, but thats 2017

[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by Bruce B

I am a little curious... Why do more horsepower and torque mean better fuel mileage? I am guessing but this sounds a little optimistic...
Am I missing something here?
BB

I am at a loss reading the mileage and performance comparisons between the diesel and gas mainly the Ford Eco Boost.
The additional cost for the diesel to purchase and own is difficult for me justify.
It takes a long time to realize the difference in fuel savings.
That's not to say if that is the toy you wan't go for it.

[Moflash]

Originally Posted by franklyfrank

I am at a loss reading the mileage and performance comparisons between the diesel and gas mainly the Ford Eco Boost.

The additional cost for the diesel to purchase and own is difficult for me justify.

It takes a long time to realize the difference in fuel savings.

That's not to say if that is the toy you wan't go for it.

It's not about making up the difference.That you will never do.It is about comfort ,safety and performance that these vehicles provide.
These new vehicles with the prices approaching $70k for a new 6.7 Superduty you don't want to keep them more than 3 years.Trade and get a new one.Costs the same as driving a F150 for a 3 year term if you take good care of your vehicles.

There is big difference in the overall towing experience when pulling a larger trailer.
I initially pulled with a 2010 F150 4x4 Lariat 5.4 Supercrew max tow package with 3:55 axel that pulled ok but it was not enough chassis or brakes to do it comfortably.Truck was maxed out on payload even with a properly set up wd hitch.When hooked to the trailer the truck road like a lumber wagon,simply because the suspension over taxed.Pot holes and bumps felt like they were going to break something and you could feel the trailer pushing the truck around.
We have a 28ft international and pull approximately 12-15000 miles per year and our 2015 6.7 turbo diesel is as smooth and quiet as you could ask for.You forget there is even a 28ft trailer behind you even in the Rockies.My 2 cents


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[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by Moflash

Not much that difference in maintenance.I have had two Ford 6.7 turbo diesels and will not be going back to a gas tow vehicle any time soon.They cost more to buy but the resale is higher so you get it back when trade.There is big difference in the overall towing experience when pulling a larger trailer.We have a 28ft international and pull approximately 12-15000 miles per year.


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Only a fool would argue that a F-250 Diesel is not a better vehicle too tow with.
My experience with our F-150 Ecoboost, towing a 30' International since 2012 has been also very satisfying. We average about 10,000 miles per year mostly out west driving the Rockies.
I had an F-250 Diesel for 4 years during which time it cost me over 5 grand to keep it running and couldn't get a dime out of Ford once it was out of warranty.

[Moflash]

Originally Posted by franklyfrank

Only a fool would argue that a F-250 Diesel is not a better vehicle too tow with.
My experience with our F-150 Ecoboost, towing a 30' International since 2012 has been also very satisfying. We average about 10,000 miles per year mostly out west driving the Rockies.
I had an F-250 Diesel for 4 years during which time it cost me over 5 grand to keep it running and couldn't get a dime out of Ford once it was out of warranty.

You cant keep them that long.

[KWN306]

Originally Posted by Moflash

You cant keep them that long.

It is pretty bad when you can't keep a $70K Ford more than 3 years or go broke in maintenance fees.

Hence me keeping my 16 yr old Dodge diesel with no EPA crap = no maintenance fees.

[PaulnGina]

Stories like that make me like my 1995 PowerStroke that much more. 116K miles, should still have lots of life in it.


PaulnGina
1987 Avion 34W
1995 Ford F250 7.3L PowerStroke

Blessed and highly favored

[franklyfrank]

Originally Posted by Moflash

You cant keep them that long.

Geez I wish I had known before buying it. The first time in the shop about 20 k miles past warranty cost me $ 2,900.00 and it went down hill after.
The current 2012 -F-150 Ecoboost with 76 k miles was in the shop once for and accelerator switc, total cost $ 110.00.
I am very shy of Ford Diesels ever since. Maybe I wait another 10 years for them to get really reliable. At that point most likely I won't need one.

[m.hony]

Originally Posted by KWN306

It is pretty bad when you can't keep a $70K Ford more than 3 years or go broke in maintenance fees.



Hence me keeping my 16 yr old Dodge diesel with no EPA crap = no maintenance fees.

1999 Nissan Pathfinder $25,000
Still drive it 17 years later
1 year maintenance:
Oil change, tire rotation, battery, wiper blades, windshield washer fluid, wash, wax, tire dressing
$13 per month insurance
$39 tag
2007 Toyota Tundra $30,000
Still drive it 8 years later
1 year maintenance:
2 oil changes, 2 tire rotations, wiper blades, windshield washer fluid, battery, replaced some dry rotted rubber trim pieces, wash, wax, tire dressing
$650 per year insurance
$150 tag
2006 Harley-Davidson Road King Classic one year maintenance-
0 maintenance this year other than wash, wax, tag, and $12 per month insurance
I ain't got $70,000 and my rides ain't broke!


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[Moflash]

Originally Posted by KWN306

It is pretty bad when you can't keep a $70K Ford more than 3 years or go broke in maintenance fees.

Hence me keeping my 16 yr old Dodge diesel with no EPA crap = no maintenance fees.

I think you miss understood what I was saying.To minimize you loss due to depreciation you cant drive a $60k-$70 truck (Ford,Dodge ,Chev,Mercedes ,Porsche or VW) till the wheels fall off.If you are one that takes care of there vehicles you are better off trading at a regular interval.I trade every 36mos for approx $15k.That is as cheap as it gets with this expensive of a vehicle.So the cost per year is the same per year as a loaded F150 or less.

Trying to keep up with a high mileage older vehicle (there are always maintenance fees)is not my idea of a good time traveling( I have done it but now I dont have to).Then trying to trade it off with it little value is painful.
I am not brand follower,I just buy the product that has the lowest cost of ownership with the comfort that I require and gets the job done properly.
Not saying this is for everyone but it works for us.

I have been in the automobile business for 40 years and still learning!

[m.hony]

I disagree- to a point- to a degree-
Many times it's cheaper to keep 'er.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


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[dznf0g]

Moflash is correct, generally. The formula can change with a bunch of variables when one looks at not JUST depreciation, but looks at total cost of ownership....especially if one performs all their maintenance and repair work themself, like me.

But Moflash only stated his findings on depreciation...at least in the first paragraph.