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11-29-2008, 09:23 AM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' International
Savage
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2007
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LED Replacement for '64 Bargman
I am looking for recommendations for an LED replacement for the original Bargman Wedding Cake brake/turn signal lights on my '64. I want the replacement to look close to the original, within reason. I am not sure which Bargman # I have, but here is a picture:
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11-29-2008, 09:38 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ts8501
I am looking for recommendations for an LED replacement for the original Bargman Wedding Cake brake/turn signal lights on my '64. I want the replacement to look close to the original, within reason. I am not sure which Bargman # I have, but here is a picture:
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Unfortunately, that design went out many years ago.
Smooth tail lights are the order of day, today.
We have a direct replacement 7 inch LED tail light.
Part # 65601
Andy
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11-29-2008, 09:40 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 22' Safari
1960 Caravel
Edmonds
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2004
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bus lights
Hi, I found that 7" school bus lights work great. I've seen them on e-bay for as low as $36.00. They are very bright and a nice fit. You have bargman 99 Lights. LP
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1973 F-250 4X4 390
1965 Chevy Suburban 454
AIR 6030
WBCCI 4258
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11-29-2008, 10:16 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 22' Safari
1960 Caravel
Edmonds
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,499
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Covers
One more thing! If you want the original look Vintage Trailer Supply sells the covers. Look here. LP
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1973 F-250 4X4 390
1965 Chevy Suburban 454
AIR 6030
WBCCI 4258
TCT
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11-29-2008, 11:42 AM
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Rivet Master
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Shameless self-promotion, but here's what I did.
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11-29-2008, 01:44 PM
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Rivet Master
1975 Argosy 26
1963 24' Tradewind
Seattle
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Hey Mark.. that's a great idea...and some extra white led's too!
Thanks!
Marc
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11-29-2008, 01:49 PM
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Rivet Master
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Those extra LEDs work great as closet lights.
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11-29-2008, 01:50 PM
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Rivet Master
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Colville
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Here's another conversion... (not mine)
LED tail light conversion on a 1964 Airstream Overlander
I think there were a few other well documented conversions here on the forums - just use the search function above...
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11-29-2008, 04:21 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
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I would not suggest using any form of MIX and MATCH as far as LEDS and original LENSES.
Tail lights are designed to focus the light from the original light source using the lens design to project the light in a chosen direction. Any change in the positioning of the source will reduce the effectiveness of the light.
Tampering with the optics of the fixture is not only an engineering point but most likely a legal point as well.
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2004 Excursion 4x4
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11-30-2008, 07:58 AM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' International
Savage
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 753
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'64 Replacement Decided and Thanks!
Thank you to all that have written so far with replacement options. I think I like this one the best, as it allows for reuse of the original light covers.
LED tail light conversion on a 1964 Airstream Overlander
Thanks GreatPumpkin for passing it along, but no thanks for the pile of pooh. I had to see that before I ate this morning
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11-30-2008, 12:01 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Colville
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Here's a few more links for various styles / years. Including an alternative process used by HowieE - that wouldn't work well with the cake lights you have though.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...hts-23544.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...ion-17847.html
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2001 Dodge Ram 1500
2001 Honda XR650R
Currently Looking...for an Avion Truck Camper (or a Classic Argosy MoHo)
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11-30-2008, 01:03 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
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I trust you can see the difference between post #3 and #49 in this link as to the effect the lens has on the light pattern. It looks like we both started with the same light.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...hts-23544.html
As for mounting a complete LED fixture into the lens of the old cake type lights that should no be as hard as my installation. There are tail/brake fixtures that will fit in the upper section of the cake lens.
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12-02-2008, 08:09 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 22' Safari
1960 Caravel
Edmonds
, Washington
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Bummer!
Looks like you are right. Well, the bus LED lights should cover the holes. But, I can't say for sure. I like to keep the original look were I can with a modern twist if I can get away with it. On the Safari the back lights were rusted out and at the time we rebuilt it economical replacements were not available. So, it got the LEDs. Looks like you have a challenge on your hands and I've learned something new about Airstreams. I'll post a picture if you like. Good luck!
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1973 F-250 4X4 390
1965 Chevy Suburban 454
AIR 6030
WBCCI 4258
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12-02-2008, 09:15 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by silverleeper
Looks like you are right. Well, the bus LED lights should cover the holes. But, I can't say for sure. I like to keep the original look were I can with a modern twist if I can get away with it. On the Safari the back lights were rusted out and at the time we rebuilt it economical replacements were not available. So, it got the LEDs. Looks like you have a challenge on your hands and I've learned something new about Airstreams. I'll post a picture if you like. Good luck!
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The 7 inch LED replacement tail lights, cover the original holes as well as the marks that are in the sheet metal.
Andy
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12-05-2008, 06:19 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1965 20' Globetrotter
Woodland Hills
, California
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Hey Andy, Do you have a replacement brake/tail/turn led light for '65 Globetrotter. I have the plastic housing with the metal housing insert for the original light. The existing lense cover is just over 4" and fits in the metal housing which has a flange that is 5 1/4" dia. inside the plastic housing. If so, can you post a photo and part # and price. Thanks, Kenny
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02-02-2009, 07:28 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyp315
Hey Andy, Do you have a replacement brake/tail/turn led light for '65 Globetrotter. I have the plastic housing with the metal housing insert for the original light. The existing lense cover is just over 4" and fits in the metal housing which has a flange that is 5 1/4" dia. inside the plastic housing. If so, can you post a photo and part # and price. Thanks, Kenny
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How did I miss this post? I was in the hospital.
Sure do have those replacements.
Andy
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12-22-2009, 11:49 AM
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Rivet Master
1964 19' Globetrotter
South Kingstown
, Rhode Island
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Finally, the tail light mystery solved. I have the Auto Lite 575s also. I had read that AS used 3 different types in '64. Mine look like the ones in the pic, I think I'll get the wedding cake from Vintage and give it a shot. Thanks for all the input, you all are a great help.
Peter
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12-22-2009, 11:57 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Globie64
Finally, the tail light mystery solved. I have the Auto Lite 575s also. I had read that AS used 3 different types in '64. Mine look like the ones in the pic, I think I'll get the wedding cake from Vintage and give it a shot. Thanks for all the input, you all are a great help.
Peter
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You may want to consider upograding to the LED tail lights.
They are brighter in the day, than the originals are at night.
Andy
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