Michelin: AGILIS CrossClimate 16 Inch Tires

[tjdonahoe]

Looking at the load chart from michelin...the arglis only needs 60 lbs of air...instead of 70 on the LTX...80 #’s would really shake things up

[Ray Eklund]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

Looking at the load chart from michelin...the arglis only needs 60 lbs of air...instead of 70 on the LTX...80 #’s would really shake things up

*****
Switz... the Orcale of Apache Junction is the numbers cruncher. He has most all covered somewhere on the Forum. Also the tire professionals.

I have been running at 70-71 psi. Just experimenting. Since parking the Airstream, they are about 65/66psi. May look over Switz's numbers and see how the 27 foot trailers works out.

So far nothing has vibrated off in the Interior. No shelves. No drawers, cabinet doors. Although we secure everything now as Insurance. After 16 years of 'experimenting' give me another 15 years to 'find tune' what we have not discovered over the years.

One big win for an Airstream. No matter what some may say... the resale value is excellent from owner to individual. The tires were a huge selling point on our 25 footer. He was going to full time in the Dakota's oil patch with a welding operation he owned.

[tjdonahoe]

My friend in Texas..has tires from discount tire...had a flat ..nail...got a new tire as he paid$25 for a replacement warranty..he didn’t want a tire with a hole and patch

[tsunami]

After over 16 years of owning/towing Airstream's, as you can see, I've had my first blow-out. The GYM was about 4 years old. I've had my issues with previous GYM's but nothing like this. Fortunately, we were driving about 60 MPH when this happened and was able to safely slow down and get over to the side of the road. To mitigate the GYM problems, I shopped around for best deal and found that Discount Tire was having a special, so I ordered 5 225/75-16R Michelin Agilis Cross Climates and 5 16 inch Sendel T02 rims.

I have an appointment scheduled later this month at Airstream, Jackson Center, to repair the damage. I will have the new wheels installed prior to heading there.

More to follow!

[Ray Eklund]

Looking forward to a busy year in our 27 foot International and the upgrade to 16 inch LTX Michelins.

I am happy to report there have been no problems with my tires.

When any of you are at Jackson Center, Ohio having any work done... get your folding lawn chair, sit under the shade of your awning and watch people backing into a spot.

Watch. Watch the tires ripple on the sides from stressing the sidewalls. These were all Goodyears at the time. No wonder tires fail. Some newbies are learning and there is a toll to the tires and trailer.

If you watch someone with Michelin LTX 16 inch tires... and they are twisting them inside and out... do you see the same rippling of the sidewalls? I am just curious.

Since going to Michelin tires... I have had ZERO problems. Sure these tires cost more. If you are traveling a lot... they will take care of you. If you are a weekend traveler, maybe the stock tires will suit you just fine.

I am not a RV Park and Asphalt traveler. Where I go the tires have to be dependable. Why else would the higher priced Airstreams have 16 inch Michelins? Why do you see the white boxes with Brands of Tires never seen before?

Actually the worse tire, Hi Run 14 inch are sold at WalMart. They lasted me less than 200 miles on I-80 before I could see the tread distorting. This was on the Highway. The 14 inch stock Goodyear Marathons should have never been on an Airstream, and the Dexter axles should have been like all of the other double axles at the time. Today... they are. In 2006, they were not.

When making a tire choice, dig into the Internet for information. I do not need to consult with the Wizard of Oz behind a curtain. Just other folk, like myself. Once burned... gone.

I do hope that Goodyear Endurance tires are exactly that. If they are, about time. You can enjoy your Summer, as well.

[JJTX]

Originally Posted by tsunami

After over 16 years of owning/towing Airstream's, as you can see, I've had my first blow-out. The GYM was about 4 years old.

More to follow!

This is why after this fall's trip to Wyoming all three of my tires get replaced.

The tires will be three years old then. Granted my tires will generate less heat than yours I bet due to the trailer weight differences, but 3 years is enough in Texas Heat for my Bambi.

[rideair]

I personal am not a big fan of radial tires on Airstreams. Have a blowout, and you've got a chainsaw spinning at 60mph into your Airstream creating damage.

A bias-ply tire blowing out, (normally) will not do damage to an Airstream like shown in your picture.

I'm still running 7.00x15 bias-ply's on all of my vintage Airstreams.

Will need to be replacing the tires and currently undecided for the 1996 34' that was purchased over the summer.

Sorry to see the damage, good luck in OH,

[Ray Eklund]

Considering I have had no tire issues since going to Michelin... I will take the Odds that nothing will occur this Season, as well. My tires will weather out, before they wear out.

Our kind of traveling with double axles work well with the 16 inch Michelin option.

Rideair has the Mother of All Airstreams with a triple axle. Obviously, someone who takes no chances with his tires, either. A testament that if you are on top of things, bad things can be prevented.

[switz]

With six tires on the ground with a tri-axle, the tire loading is lower per tire even with the 11,000 GVW of the last 34’ Classics. In fact, the 15” Michelins would work just fine as far as loading is concerned. The big issue to the sheer stress when turning. One could think the center tires are the pivot point and the front and rear sets experience stress from different directions.

Perhaps tire rotation more often would even out the wear. A good set of individual tire scales would determine actual loading to be sure one inflates the tires to the proper pressure for the tire with the highest loading.

[Ray Eklund]

I find it interesting that the Tire Experts are pushing Goodyear Endurance tires.

I find it interesting that Airstream Owners using Michelin tires are recommending their use from experience.

I Vote with my Money. I try to decipher facts and truth. Cost of a tire does not mean that Michelin likes to stick it to the Consumer.

If I buy a cheeseburger made from Algae and like it, great. Chances are between 0 and below 0 I even want to go that direction. Sometimes the toilet is not available when needed the most. I don't know. Marathons... come to mind, as usual. Money flushed down that toilet... from prior experience.

Gold costs more than Silver. If Silver was harder to find, Gold would be cheaper. Cheaper tires are out there. Try HI RUN... the worst ST tire for your 14 inch wheels and Airstream. I know. I listened to the... Experts, selling them to me in Wyoming.

That was the ONLY brand of ST tire they sold. It has to be good?

If you spend $175,000, or less for a large Airstream, you get MIchelin 16 inch tires and wheels. Even a spare. Hmmm. Maybe 'bad luck' on your choice of trailer?

If you buy another brand of trailer for $28,000, the tires on that trailer... the Brand Name is not even familiar. Walk through the Trailer Show and look. You will most likely not see many Goodyear Endurance or Michelin tires at most of these 'Sales Events'.

My brother takes advice from people who like to change their tires frequently... so they always have lots of rubber on the road. Sometimes he has a spare that is... not flat.

[lsbrodsky]

As I said earlier in this thread, just because it says "Michelin" does not mean perfection. I had a very bad experience with a set of tires and Michelin ultimately replaced many, many tires under warranty. I just took a check and went to Conti. This was on a Mercedes, not a trailer...chunks were coming off the tire and it was well reported on social media. Up until then I was a Michelin fanboy. I had good experience with Michelin on my Airstream but when it was time to replace and only the Agilis was available in the correct size, I opted for another brand. Without a few years of USA experience to report, I was not going to rely on Michelin.

Larry

[Ray Eklund]

As Larry reports, do not put Michelins on a Mercedes. Cannot blame him at all. They just do not work out.

I had friends who drive over priced cars. They prefer tires with French Names. You smoke them for a few years, leaving rubber posi-traction road debris and replace the rear tires when there is TOO much rubber on the road. Get a bit of moisture on the road and you need to be towed into a parking lot. Tread depth is seasonal for most of us. Not an engine with a windshield...

Tires for steering do not wear as much as these oversized, soft rubber rear tires. It is amazing that the REAR tires follow a different path than the wheels up front. This is a mystery to be solved by someone working on UFO's. Curbs and fire hydrants are solid and difficult to move.

Toyota Land Cruisers have used Michelin Tires when they were Made in France, for as long as I can remember. This is a 53rd State of some sort, or so, I have heard. Right after Florida. Then the Wine Embargo. Now Michelin tires are Made in the USA, somewhere, manufacturing. I am not an Expert and they smell American when new. (Oh, damn. Where did I put my left shoe?)

We have now 100% Michelin tires on two 4x4's and an Airstream. We do not own Michelin Stock. I do not speak French, but maybe some Dutch/Flemish, German and some Montana Swedish English along the Flathead Lake.

A friend and I use to walk through the Mall and just make up a Language. The girls thought we were 'wild and crazy guys'. Just a little accent goes a long way, you know. We also understood... Buzz off Creeps.

My brother could be driving a Tank and jack it up. At the Casino today, which I have to say we had great buffets, and made more than we lost... the curbs have lots of black tire marks in the lot. One moved a 100 pound ornamental rock. Probably a Ferrari or some other kind of Italian super car.

I would love to 'follow' someone who has lots of TIRE ISSUES. Follow, that is. Not be a passenger. These new vehicles have no ability to avoid obstacles. Like the 100 pound rock.

It is not unusual that the right tires of any trailer have 'problems'. Also the back of the Airstream backing into a tree... is another problem. Much like a reindeer jumping out of the woods onto the highway and damaging the top front of your Airstream. Obviously the reindeers problem for not paying attention and now your problem to remove the antlers from your Air Conditioning unit.

[Airstreamfan]

I am strongly considering upgrading my 15" wheels to 16" Sendel's, and going with the Michelin Agilis CrossClimate tires recommended in this thread. I just purchased a 1993 29' Excella, and trying to fix things up. The GY Marathon's on it were dated 2004, believe it or not.

My big question: Do any of you know what country the Agilis tires are made in?

I can't find it anywhere on the Michelin website, except to say they make tires in several countries.

I'm thinking it's stamped on the side of the tire, so if any of you know I'd appreciate the info.

[tsunami]

Heading to Jackson Center for rear banana wrap repair at the end of this week. While there, I'm having AS install the Dexter spacers to lift the AS. I'll have them install the new Michelins and they'll also assist in resetting the height of the Equil-izer hitch to compensate for the new tires and spacers.

[Vantair]

Originally Posted by Airstreamfan

I am strongly considering upgrading my 15" wheels to 16" Sendel's, and going with the Michelin Agilis CrossClimate tires recommended in this thread. I just purchased a 1993 29' Excella, and trying to fix things up. The GY Marathon's on it were dated 2004, believe it or not.

My big question: Do any of you know what country the Agilis tires are made in?

I can't find it anywhere on the Michelin website, except to say they make tires in several countries.

I'm thinking it's stamped on the side of the tire, so if any of you know I'd appreciate the info.

Just purchased 5 new 16” Agilis and new Sendels at America’s Tire in Southern Calif. Tires showing stamped CANADA.

[Ray Eklund]

On the outside of the tire is the Michelin Man. I found Made in USA in that area.

[tsunami]

Picked up the Ford TPMS/Camera accessory kit for my F250. Took the TPMS sending units to discount tire and had them installed before they mounted new Michelin tires. Real happy with the work.
Installed the TPMS receiver sensor part of the kit in the “C” channel cross member located behind the battery box. Will program system once Airstream is done installing the Dexter lift kit and mounting the16 inch tires early next week.

[tsunami]

AS lifted 3 inches and new tires/rims installed at Airstream. After setting the hitch to compensate for lift and tires, towed it 5 1/2 hours to the house and it felt solid, stable, balanced. Looking forward to long trips now.

[dhroberts]

Originally Posted by Ray Eklund

These wheels and tires are being installed on our 2019 27FB Airstream. The original Airstream factory 15 inch wheels and 15 inch Goodyear Endurance tires are being removed and replaced with the following.

We require thicker tread for our Off the Grid Boondocking ‘Adventures’.

I will be selling, to offset my costs, these new Goodyear ST225/75R/15, LRD Endurance tires and (factory- Sendel S20 6 lug aluminum wheels?) with less than 30 miles to a lucky Trailer Owner. For the majority of Airstream owners, these will be perfect.

My 16 inch Sendel wheel and Michelin Agilis CrossClimate tire choices:

- Sendel ST-S20-66655T 16x6 0 offset Aluminum Modular 6 lug 3200# wheels: 5 wheels, shipping included, Shadow Trailers, $617.45

- Michelin AGILIS CrossClimate All Weather LT225/75R16 LRE BSW MSPN 72022, 5 tires, N0 Costco Mileage Warranty, mounted, balancing, Costco, $1,087.08 before NV Sales Tax

Michelin Agilis CrossClimate tire prices on the Michelin website: $211.00 each. #72022

“The Michelin site has Standard Manufacturer’s Limited Warranty covering defects in workmanship and materials for the life of the original usable tread, or for 6 YEARS from date of purchase, whichever occurs first.”

Possibly any warranty issues would be directed to Michelin, itself. Someone may know.

This is the current 'option' for my previous LTX225/75R/LRE tire size for Michelin I had installed on the 2014 25 foot International. The Agilis CrossClimate replaces the previous 16 inch tires I had installed in 2014 and replace the Defender tires and now are: Michelin AGILIS CrossClimate branded tires.

Costco was having their Michelin ‘Sale’ with $110 discounted from their regular price(s). You may want to shop around for the wheels, as there is a good chance of a better price and the tires. Some wheel dealers had ONE Sendel, another could not get them... but Shadow Trailer had five in stock, and I had them delivered to my door four days after ordering. Of course, they are located in Cypress, California so are within four hours of Boulder City, Nevada.

I am having the tires installed tomorrow at Costco. I am bringing in the FIVE Wheels, metal pressure valves from Shadow Tires tossed into the price.

Once mounted onto the trailer, I will check out these fit in the fender wells. Also the space between each axle/tire for you to compare.

If I discover an error in the above, or someone notices a possible error, please post the difference. This needs to be accurate for many reasons.

I installed a 3” Dexter Lift Kit and gained over 2 1/2 inches more clearance above the axles.

Looks like you did your research! Why did you decide on the Michelin Agilis CrossClimate tires. Understand Michelin. Why the CrossClimates? Want to replace my original Michelins as they are 5 years old - this despite they have lots of tread left after 35K miles. Your thoughts? Thanks.

[switz]

That is one of the two current "versions" of Michelin light truck16" tires we can use on the Airstream. The "RIB" model is very stiff sided in the sidewalls and has worked for the single axle folks that have much higher tire loads per tire than the two or three axle Airstreams.