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07-21-2009, 12:14 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 31' Sovereign
1967 22' Safari
1958 22' World Traveler
Pardeeville
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Definition of 'Vintage'
Why do 'we' define vintage as 25 yrs old or older? Im of the thinking that anything post 1969 lost some character (Some of you are gonna jump me for that comment!) Our 71 just seems to have more laminate and plastic than does our 67. Just not what Id consider vintage... Let the jabbing begin!
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07-21-2009, 12:29 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Tucson
, AZ
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aircooled4
Why do 'we' define vintage as 25 yrs old or older? Im of the thinking that anything post 1969 lost some character (Some of you are gonna jump me for that comment!) Our 71 just seems to have more laminate and plastic than does our 67. Just not what Id consider vintage... Let the jabbing begin!
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When I bought my '73 AS, the PO told me it was considered a "vintage trailer". I was surprised but happy! It just sounds so much cooler than an "old trailer".
Course, I was told that my family heirloom furniture is not "antique" but instead, "vintage". In that sense I was disapointed to be vintage.
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07-21-2009, 12:46 PM
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Iwannagocamping
1979 31' Sovereign
Rineyville
, Kentucky
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 262
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Well... I see it as that you have to have a "rolling" number, or else you will get to a point where for instance in 2070ad a 100 year old trailer will not be "vintage" because it was built in 1970. It's probably true that in some peoples eyes, the post '69 era is not as "nice" or has as much character, but it is still an "old, vintage, classic" airstream, IMHO.
I have seen this kind of debate in a couple of my hobbies.. it's funny sometimes how people think about their idea of whats right.. The same guy using a compound bow thinks the new guys on the block being allowed to shoot crossbows aren't "archers" but don't understand how someone shooting a recurve feels the same way about them.. and don't get me started about the attitudes of some of those that only hunt with stick bows and cedar arrows we built ourselves.
and then there are in-lines vs cap locks vs flint locks vs match locks vs "handgunnes" debate in the black powder world...lol
and Mustangs... sheesh, don't even go look around there.
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07-21-2009, 12:52 PM
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Rivet Master
Southwestern
, Ohio
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,671
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aircooled4
Why do 'we' define vintage as 25 yrs old or older? Im of the thinking that anything post 1969 lost some character (Some of you are gonna jump me for that comment!) Our 71 just seems to have more laminate and plastic than does our 67. Just not what Id consider vintage... Let the jabbing begin!
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When the Vintage Airstream Club was formed, one faction was in favor of defining "vintage", for the purpose of club membership, as Airstreams built up to 1962, the year that Wally Byam died.
I think you will agree that if they had done so, the VAC would be a lot smaller than it is!
"More than 25 years old" seems to be a widely accepted definition of "vintage" in a lot of fields, not just Airstreams.
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07-21-2009, 12:57 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 26' Overlander
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,640
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dakota's Dad
and Mustangs... sheesh, don't even go look around there.
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No kidding, there are actually some people who think the mid 70s Mustang II should be considered alongside the original ponycars as "classic Mustangs!"
-Marcus
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07-21-2009, 01:50 PM
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Rivet Master
1968 28' Ambassador
Cedaredge
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,542
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jab, jab, jab.......
I have a 68' and I understand what you mean about the interior. But then I stripped mine out because I like the lighter color of Maple. and wanted to add bunks and a dinette.
They are built better. in my opinion....
So is mine still a vintage AS even when the inside is up to date???
Personally I don't like the look of the inside of the 70's trailers. man those groovy colors.
But some people love them, and I'm Ok with that, but if I get one it's getting a remodel.
So, if you have a 1984 or older trailer it is vintage.... Just doesn't seem right does it.
I could see having all the 1970's trailers in but the 80's??????
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07-21-2009, 02:25 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 26' Overlander
Owings Mills
, MD
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Ah, the AMC Pacer... true "vintage."
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07-21-2009, 03:30 PM
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Rivet Master
1968 28' Ambassador
Cedaredge
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,542
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hampstead38
Ah, the AMC Pacer... true "vintage."
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AMC Javelin, now that is true vintage....
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Jason
May you have at least one sunny day, and a soft chair to sit in..
2008 5.7 L V8 Sequoia
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07-21-2009, 03:34 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 25' Tradewind
Currently Looking...
McHenry County
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,171
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Quote:
Originally Posted by purman
Personally I don't like the look of the inside of the 70's trailers. man those groovy colors.
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You mean the orange shag carpeting and plastic "walnut" cabinets?
The look of the real ash wood and linoleum floor in the Globetrotter really screamed vintage.
After the exterior is stabilized on the Tradewind there will definately be real wood installed on the inside.
Personally I think the natural materials are the make or break point. It doesen't have to be a restoration, just something with a little warmth and personallity.
Tom.
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07-21-2009, 04:10 PM
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Rivet Master
1959 26' Overlander
Nowhere
, Washington
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 573
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Quote:
Originally Posted by purman
I could see having all the 1970's trailers in but the 80's??????
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I don't know. While I'm quite proud to own a 50 year old trailer, some things are vintage earlier than others in my book. For example, while I'm not even sure if MH's are ever considered vintage, I was reading a thread today about an 87' 345 MH and it already looked kind of "vintage" to me. Those rigs are just cool IMHO.
Norm (vintage class of 88')
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07-21-2009, 04:52 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2008 16' Safari
Destrehan
, Louisiana
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 395
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Vintage is fine with me for anything over 25 years. The UK uses the term "veteran" and I thinks that's fine too. But there is always the golden age of any product line. With AS it was the 50's to the mid 60's. I had a 72 and loved it. I've now got a 2008 and we like this trailer too.
Still, a 1950's AS all polished up and well maintained is a real joy. You just can't duplicate that and everybody knows it.
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07-21-2009, 05:01 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 28' Safari SE
Currently Looking...
Colorado Springs
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 703
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Riddle me this... what's the difference between vintage and classic?
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07-21-2009, 05:45 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by silverback
Riddle me this... what's the difference between vintage and classic?
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By WBCCI Intraclub definition:
"Vintage" means any Airstream - including Argosy & MoHo's, as long as it's 25 years or older.
"Classic" means any silver, non-wide body trailer made by Airstream. The "classic" iconic Airstream - no age limitation. There was also a options package called "classic" in the '90's+/-...but that's different, that's a label the Airstream Company used.
Shari
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07-21-2009, 05:46 PM
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Naysayer
1968 24' Tradewind
Russellville
, earth
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,971
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the whole thing is wacked if you ask me
Vintage is simply a term related to the year a trailer was made. Not old, not new, just the year. All trailers have a vintage. Having said that, it is widely understood that late 60s units are the best vintage.
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07-21-2009, 06:33 PM
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Rivet Master
1968 28' Ambassador
Cedaredge
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 2,542
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gen Disarray
Vintage is simply a term related to the year a trailer was made. Not old, not new, just the year. All trailers have a vintage. Having said that, it is widely understood that late 60s units are the best vintage.
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I might have to agree with that. say the late 60's,, --maybe say-- --like -- 1968
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May you have at least one sunny day, and a soft chair to sit in..
2008 5.7 L V8 Sequoia
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07-21-2009, 07:50 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1965 22' Safari
New Glarus
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 5
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adj.- Of or relating to a vintage.
- Characterized by excellence, maturity, and enduring appeal; classic.
- Old or outmoded.
Which of these describes you?
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07-21-2009, 08:06 PM
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
Vintage Kin Owner
Schererville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2005
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According to my kids, #3 would describe me. According to my husband, I hope it's #2!
The vintage thing: Had the 70's trailer, hated the plastic.
Have the '86 trailer, love the oak! (only 2 more years till vintage!) Never had a 60's, but maybe someday....a bambi!!!
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Originally Posted by safari65WI
adj.- Of or relating to a vintage.
- Characterized by excellence, maturity, and enduring appeal; classic.
- Old or outmoded.
Which of these describes you?
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1964 Bambi II
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07-21-2009, 08:51 PM
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Rivet Master
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 7,721
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My opinion:
Anything over 50 years old, 1959, is true vintage.
Anything built after 1969 is Beatrice.
Anything built after 1979 is "used".
Anything built after 1989 is "just broke in".
Anything built after 1999 is still new.
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07-21-2009, 09:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1970 23' Safari
1956 26' Cruiser Overlander
Lambertville
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,174
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This is horrible...I was built in '69 .
That being said the "groovy" 70's lounge look that we have in our '74 is cool, but the 50's is really where its at for "VINTAGE".
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TAC# MI-1
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07-21-2009, 10:24 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1963 24' Tradewind
Anderson / Sun City
, Indiana / Arizona
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 444
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For me, vintage is 7 panel or 13 panel years (1963 or older).
The classic (vintage) Airstream shape started to morph beginning in 1964.
Mike
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