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Old 09-05-2012, 08:53 PM   #43
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Well I got welding again Sunday. After removing the messed up coupler and tube ends we measured and I actually only needed a couple degrees of opening up the A frame. Notched the outside edge with a 1/8" cutting wheel and bent the arms out slightly then welded in place and reinforced with fishplate. Came out really nice and very strong. Need to locate a couple of feet of 2x4 tubing .120 thick, metalmart locally wont sell less than 24 feet! Once I weld the extensions in place and reinforce then install the new Atwood coupler I will finally be ready for paint.
I went to my local paint supplier to pick up my por-15 and after a lengthy discussion I came away with something different. I really want to spray instead of brushing and decided I didnt have the confidence that I wouldnt superglue my lungs shut so I ended up with a less aggressive product called Zero Rust. Not a lot of info here on this product but I figure with proper prep 2 coats and a topcoat should give many years of service. I guess I will be the test pilot for this one. Wish me luck!
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Old 09-14-2012, 08:45 PM   #44
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Well the frame is complete! tongue and coupler are stronger than ever and about 7 inches longer, mounts for stabilizers and spare tire are welded on, tank supports are in place and the first coat of paint is on. First quart of Zero Rust covered almost the entire frame- would have been plenty but the harbor freight HVLP set I bought leaked in a spot that was impossible to tighten once it was filled lost about 1/4 of the first quart so I will probably buy a third quart just to make sure I have adequate coverage. Now is not the time to be cheap! I gotta remember to tighten it up tomorrow before I fill it though. The Zero Rust sprays and covers very well so far. I doubt that it will be any where near as hard as Por 15 but it is a lot safer without isocyanates for those of us who already have issues with breathing.
Oh, just for the record-that Tyvek suit is HOT but worth every penny. only got a tiny bit of spray on my wrist where the sleeve pulled up so not too bad.
Before anyone asks-YES I did take pictures, I will post them in a couple of days.
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Old 09-14-2012, 11:34 PM   #45
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:40 PM   #46
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Thanks Don, I suspect this all sounds just a bit deja vu to you!
Got up early this AM and sprayed the second qt after rermembering to fix the #%&@! sprayer. worked perfectly this time. I will need a third qt to finish since I applied a heavier coat to the bottom half- I do NOT want to spend another hour on my back in a pile of goatheads spraying paint.
Will have to wait till monday though, my wife insists that I must take her to Oktoberfest at Snowbowl for the rest of the weekend. Mean Evil Woman Make me drink bear, eat brats and have fun, whoever heard of such a thing. first snow here is usually around Halloween so with a little luck I just might make it before the snow flies.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:39 PM   #47
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Time for an update. Haven't posted in a while so lets see...
Apparently neither Louis (the welder) or myself know how to measure so we had to fabricate and add a new crossmember for the front hold down then move the spare tire holder and propane tank mount forward about 3 inches. Gave me a chance to clean up the tongue a little better then repaint so thats OK.
I also added mounts for stabilizers that I will fabricate later.

After completing the frame I got sidetracked for a while working on my turn of the century carriage house so that I could work in it during the winter. Sealed up some major drafts and practiced with my new Harbor Freight welder by building a wood stove out of an old 40 gallon compressor tank that has been laying around since I bought the house. The Chimney probably hasnt been used for 50 years but other than cleaning out a lot of dirt and a couple of bird skeletons it works just fine. At least I didnt smoke out any furry woodland critters when I lit it
I'm pretty sure my christmas present arrived yesterday- a box from VTS just big enough for 2 fantastic fans. It promptly disappeared into some hidey hole of Jennifers until christmas morning.
This gave me just the incentive needed to get back to work so I spent the morning drilling out more interior rivets. All the interior panels are now down except the endcaps and the huge buck riveted center panel that will be next. The center panel has some sag around the old vents so I know I will have some repairs and reinforcing before the FF's are installed. BTW the center vent will stay with the original Hehr for the time being but I might as well prep for a possible A/C installation. The wiring I can handle but what size/type of tubing do I need to install for the drain? I've searched and can't find this info anywhere. Probably one of those things that are so obvious to anyone who has done the job that nobody bothers to write it down
One last thing for today- After stripping the interior it was obvious that I had 2 different alloys/thicknesses of sheeting. When I pulled down the counter height pieces that were noticeably heavier and shinier than the rest of the 2024 t-3 ALCLAD I found them marked ALCOA 24S-t .036 Anybody know anything about this?
Pics to follow-promise
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:08 PM   #48
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I have been wondering where you've been. NOW>>GET TO WORK!
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:50 PM   #49
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Has it really been this long since I've posted? Didnt get much done this winter, it was crazy cold and windy so I pretty much buttoned her up and let her ride out the weather. The good news so far is that the Zero-rust paint I used on the frame held up beautifully without a mark even after being covered in snow for several months. I came home from the restoration academy all jazzed up and ready to tackle my shell-on after helping Uwe replace Kens floor ( I have to admit I have been TERRIFIED all winter that I might have mismeasured and the floor wouldnt fit- especially after having to move the front crossmember 3 inches forward because apparently i cant read my own directions) So the DW kicks me in the fanny a few days after we got home and asked what I was waiting for, as I didnt have a really snappy come back I went outside and 4 hours later the floor was in and the shell was dropped. Cue the Heavenly music and angel choir-it fit perfectly. The fit leaves enough room for the belly pan to be inserted, the door is square, and the shell is centered exactly on the frame. For anybody prepping for a floor in a stream of this era, an awful lot of us have found that all 4 corners are close enough to exactly the same that you can precut your corners more accurately than by trying to trace them. Everybody seems to have a 22" radius to the curves and my floor was 90" wide, though that dimension seems to vary somewhat. I did remember some time back to get out the wood stretcher and lengthen the front floor section by the 3" that was added at the front so everything worked out.
If I didnt note it before I used 3/4 marine plywood from H.D. 7 ply douglas fir, no voids and very easy to work with. I applied several coats of exterior spar urethane to the top, sides and bottom perimeter leaving the majority of the bottom open to breath so that when water does inevitably get in it will have a place to exit. I am working now on fitting the front and rear hold down plates (stainless 16 guage) and tying all the main bows etc. to the floor and outriggers. Spent $125 at lowes for stainless bolts and hardware so I never have to worry about the perimeter attachments rusting loose unless the frame fails. Now I have to finish countersinking the elevator boltsand attach everything permanently. It feels really good to be building instead of demolishing for a change. Once the floor is completed I have a 5 page spreadsheet of reinforcing, repairing, replacing, rewiring, insulating, plumbing, and other assorted items before I can reinstall the skins and start building cabinets. I dont know if my shell can possibly match Aerowoods GT but I'm sure gonna try. My wife knows I am an overbuilder so every rib and stringer will be tied together or replaced with a proper fitting one that can. The entire floor will be anchored to the floor and frame, reinforcement added at all penetrations, reframe all the windows and vents and hard point attachments for the cabinetry and overhead lockers. I should be an expert riveter soon.
I still owe lots of pics but I need the DW to transfer from the SD card to a flash drive that I can access on my old laptop. Maybe I can talk her into an accessory multimedia reader for fathers day?
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:01 PM   #50
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You just needed that ABQ boost

Sorry I missed seeing you in ABQ. Sounds like it was just the thing you needed. I really wanted to do the floor there too. I heard it was a zoo, however, and could not get close enough to participate like previous years. Sounds like you got in there. Now....get those pictures up.
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:35 PM   #51
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Finally the promised pics-
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reconstructing the original floor for measuring
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the reconstructed tongue end
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finished tongue with tank mounts

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Old 05-19-2013, 10:47 PM   #52
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More pics-
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the frame is done..Happy wife

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me sealing the floor sheets
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fitting the floor and curves
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:14 PM   #53
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the floor sheets went into the carriage house and the snow fell..
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I wish this was a little bigger..
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frame covered with snow
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these girls love the snow
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this is what she looked like pretty much all winter
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:30 PM   #54
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Dont know what I did wrong but at least they open
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frame back where it belongs

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looking good

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new wheel wells

next comes belly pan and RIVETING!!!
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:12 AM   #55
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Can't open the pics, Tim. I did get the first ones of the frame. NICE!
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:59 AM   #56
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