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Old 07-19-2014, 08:00 PM   #1
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

So I wanted to put in a new shower pan in the bathroom and taking it out kind of caused a chain reaction. Any advice on putting this back together?
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:26 PM   #2
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Not sure if this information helps with your suggestions but...
A. I bought the rivet kit from vintage trailer supply
B. I took some reference pictures as I took things apart.
C. I labeled a couple things.
D. This is my first trailer, got it a month ago, I'm kinda handy, but never worked on a trailer. From what I can see so far, these things are not really meant to be repaired?
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Old 07-19-2014, 08:33 PM   #3
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The good news is that everything is put together with rivets. The holes are still there. All you have to do is line them up and install new rivets. Easy, eh? I would take my 'before' pictures and use them to start lining things up in an open space...the garage floor? When you have a better idea how they go back together....start at the back where framework is attached to the interior wall...and work your way out until it is put back together. As with all things while restoring one of these Airstreams....one step at a time. Good Luck!!
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I haven't had one that far apart before.. but, I think you can fix it..
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It is just a matter of staying with it. It can go back together..... You just have to make it happen....


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Old 07-19-2014, 10:37 PM   #6
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice! I feel a little better about this now. I had to "finesse" things out a bit and most pieces are are now a little tweaked.
Are these easy fixes? I assume I'll need wood glue? Clamps? I'd say 95% of the stuff I took out suffered similar damage.
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Lol,,, that is a little more than tweaked....

You now might be ready for a remodel that does away with this stuff....

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Holy crap! That is beautiful! Is that your "rig"? Wow, I don't think my skills are to par for something like that. Did that start out as replacing your shower pan too? What was the original condition of your trailer?
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This is what I started out with:
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This is where I'm at now, good news, the shower pan is finally out!
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I redid the bath last year and its documented here: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f46/...up-100164.html

Looks like you are gutting the trailer. What is your ultimate goal with it? Are you planning on putting everything back in? If so, you need to be a bit more careful pulling the stuff out, lots of the plastic parts will be very brittle and will crack otherwise.
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The aluminum track can be repaired to one degree or another, and the wood like stuff can be replaced with something similar, but patience in removal would have saved a lot of time overall.

Next project use a sharp chisel and a good sharp drill bit to systematically remove the rivets.


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Your Globetrotter looked pretty good in the "before" picture. Why did you gut it?

Tell us your plan. A shower pan is a foundation piece of a whole bath design. You have to have a drain and a shower valve. You also need to consider where to put the shower drain water. You may not have a gray water tank at all, and you can't dump it on the ground. Do you plan on a portable tank?

My son's 69 Globetrotter has a very small all plastic "wet bath", which in my opinion isn't just everything. He has never used it.

A Globetrotter is a smaller Airstream without much room. Why do you need a shower? Most parks have shower rooms. And you can do a lot of body cleaning with a wet washcloth. You might be able to design a nice sink and toilet for your Globetrotter in the small space you have and don't worry about a shower.

Remember the 5 times rule. It will take you five times longer to put back together whatever you disassemble. You've started a BIG project. Have fun with it.

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The bathroom in my 72 Trade Wind was in bad shape...with rotting floor. In my shell off restoration, I did away with the full bath. As said before, most decent campgrounds will have a shower. I say, let somebody else clean up. I will have a sink and urinal...but I don't want to deal with a shower or a full toilet inside the AS...or the weight of a black tank. I have also installed an outdoor shower...so when I am boon docking, I can rinse off under the stars. LOL.

Don't get frustrated and in a hurry with your gutting. Remember, everything is held together with rivets. Sometimes, you can't see the rivets...but if you are patient and keep looking, you will find them. Dismantle slowly and carefully...and take plenty of pictures. It may be years before you get everything back into your trailer. There are things that you won't remember...and the pictures will help.
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Hi Minnesota! There's nothing like a cool swim in the lake after a hot day of biking or canoeing. The best shower ever!

Yep, my rear bath floor was rotted on my 66 Trade Wind. The black tank was ready to fall out. So I needed to address that floor which started a bath renew project. Bathrooms may be the most involved area in our trailers. To get at the floor I had to remove the bathroom fixtures, belly pan and floor insulation. Oh my, might as well look at the rest of the rusty frame while I'm at it. One thing leads to another and soon I'm dropping axles, repairing and painting the frame, new PEX plumbing throughout, replace that old water heater, re-plumb the drain lines, and on and on. A classic case of "while your at it" project expansion.

I installed a 24 by 24 shower pan, the smallest I could find. My shower is barely adequate and I almost wish I would have used the space for something else.

Marco, your Globetrotter may be in better shape than my Trade Wind. Southwest trailers are known to be in better condition due to the dry conditions.

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You guys are great! Thanks for all the advice! To answer some questions:

1. My goal was to replace the shower pan because the previous owner warned me to not shower in it because of some hairline cracks.

2. It was nice and I didn't 't mean to gut it, but it seemed like I had to remove the bath wall to access the shower pan, and to remove that, had to take out the closets and to do that had to take out the kitchen... Etc. it was a chain reaction.

3. I needed the shower because I go on multi day dirt biking trips in the desert, you end up with dirt in parts of your body you didn't know you had.

4. And I only have a black water tank (and white?), I can let the gray water flow into the desert.

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This just happened probably while I was forcing the black tank around. The release valve was closed. I think I cracked it. I'm having a hell of a time getting the toilet and tank out to check it!

5. How do I get the black water tank and toilet off!? Do I need to just hack into it with a sawsall? Or rip it out with a giant crow bar?

Thanks everyone! This forum was honestly the final push I needed to go through with my childhood dream of having an AS. Just knowing that all this help was out there made me feel confident and safe. You guys are the best!
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My neighbor says I definitely cracked the black water tank. I can not find any way of taking it out, or the toilet! Everything is removed around them, I cut the copper tubes going to them. I can't seem to twist them off? Ugh.
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And does that look like wood rot?
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Good news, I just pried it off by sticking a 2x4 under and pulling it up. It was stuck to that release valve thing under the trailer, I guess I could have twisted that off instead and got poop in my face.
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The bad news is, there are very few parts on a vintage AS that are replaceable (at reasonable cost, anyway). So, you are wise to take plenty of time to slowly take things apart with as little damage as possible. The good news is, you can always buy a new toilet. You probably cannot buy the plastic panels beneath the toilet or behind it...so be careful with them.

I would just start taking the toilet apart. The seat and the shroud behind it should come off. And I am guessing, because there are no visible bolts to hold it to the black tank, that the side panel should come off...giving you access to that bottom plate, where you should find the hold-down bolts. Then a rubber gasket should make the connection between the toilet and the black tank. You might want to get under the AS and take a look at where the black tank drain comes through the floor. Disconnect everything you find there. There may also be a lot of adhesive to cut away. The black tank itself may also be held to the floor with adhesive.

Just take it apart a piece at a time. The plastic is very brittle. Use a putty knife to pry it apart. Others may have dealt with this particular toilet, and know exactly how to remove it. There are also videos on Youtube that can help you.

You may be able to repair the black tank...so make sure it is disconnected from everything you can see...and then use a wide flat blade or putty knife to explore beneath it and hopefully pry it loose. Otherwise, you may know of someone who can manufacture a similar black tank...or you may find one at InlandRV online...or another seller like VintageTrailerSupply.

Take pics and let us know what you find....
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