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Old 04-11-2011, 06:01 AM   #71
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Reports?

Is there actually a requirement to give the IBT a verbal report? There may be but I don't want to read through everything trying to find it.

When I was VAC prez in 2003 I know I did not do such a report and was never asked for one.. I do remember getting lots of other stuff from HQ and turning down an invite to a fancy dress up dinner.. I also don't remember status reports from the other clubs although I may have missed them.

Of course at that time I believed the IBT actually knew what it was doing , payed little attention to them, and did not attend their meetings.
I do recall an incident though where one of our VAC members wanted to introduce a motion (request?) for a name change for his California unit and there was some issue about how he had to being properly dressed to do that.
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:13 AM   #72
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I joined the WBCCI so I could be in the VAC, but I have since dropped out due to my peception of the WBCCI per the quote below. I would have stayed in just to attend the RMVAC, but there isn't one this year.

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... the VAC is a shining gem of a group of people with a very cool special interest, but it comes attached to a dodgy old club being run into the ground by a few militaristic old guys, in hats & ties, without email/internet, who camp on the clubs money, some want to do it in fiberglass class A's with full body painted swooshes ...
The RMVAC brings me to the point--my whole interest is in the VAC, and in units like the 4CU. It's all vintage and all fun, not rules and ceremony. Enuff said.

Whether VAC is inside or outside the WBCCI is less important than making the VAC more attractive to all vintage owners. I appreciate Tim's comments and I'm going to have to reconsider joining up again so I can fight from the inside instead of taking shots from afar. Thank you, Tim (and Kimber and Fred and KenJ and Forrest and Herb and Kip and ...even Frank ).

Now, what to do? I've made long posts in past years about comparing the VAC to the EAA--we need an "Oshkosh" for the VAC.
- Ken Johansen's (KEN J) restoration rally is a great start.
- We need more support for the RMVAC so Shari and team don't get burned out.
- We need to appreciate Forrest and Fred's vintage articles and help get more of them written and published
- We need to make sure vintage owners know they can subscribe to the VAC newsletter independenly from being a member, which avoids the WBCCI issue to some extent
What other ideas are potential members willing to suggest, support?

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Zep - I don't think the whole issue could have been better presented. Very well thought out & written, without attacking anyone. Well done. Thanks.
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Yes, Scott "approved the changes that moved him into his presidency", but they came as a surprise to him at the time.


My point being that I always thought Scott got a lot of grief for things that were not at all his fault and I can't say as I blame him for leaving.
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It was discussed with him before the meeting, it was not a surprise. As far as getting a lot of grief for what was not his fault, we all did, ask any VAC PP.

I traded emails with Scott and the grief was not his reason for not rejoining the WBCCI.

Just wanted to make sure the record is clear here.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:35 PM   #75
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I have until now been very neutral to anything said about the WBCCI. The only reason I joined the WBCCI was to be a member of VAC! I would love to be just a member of the VAC. I am 37 years old and those who have met me know I am very passionate about vintage airstreams, so much so I started a business 6 years ago that restores them! At my age and with my devote passion, you have to admit that I am the future of Airstream and the WBCCI; However, my generation with the disposable income to own new or restore Airstreams do not relate or understand the the WBCCI in its current form! We (my generation) do understand the importance of the history of the club and value it's roots. I honor what Stella and Wally set forth and in no way want it to go away! Lets face the fact, if the current WBCCI does not attract the young (my generation) there will be no club! I attended a few events in DENCO chapter and was by far the youngest person! When I have attended anything vintage I in no way feel to be the youngest! I state this only to make the point that the VAC is the only part of the WBCCI that seams to be attracting younger members and without younger members the club is doomed! I think that it would be a shame if the WBCCI failed! I also think that the VAC without the WBCCI would be a shame! I think the best thing to do is give me a chance to pay my yearly dues to the VAC and that the VAC only pay 10-15% of that money to the WBCCI, rather than having to pay a year's dues to the WBCCI and extra for the VAC!!!! In the end this issue keeps coming back to two things $$$ and who controls the $$$! I wish the issue was really which part of the club is cooler the VAC or the WBCCI?

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Old 04-11-2011, 08:18 PM   #76
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I'm not at all trying to be clamorous, Todd, but according to this recent poll, your age puts you in a bit of a minority even here on the forums.

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Old 04-11-2011, 09:23 PM   #77
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As far as getting a lot of grief for what was not his fault, we all did, ask any VAC PP.
I can't speak for other people here but I find this sentence to be very troubling.

I always thought vintage vehicles were supposed to fun not a cause of grief.

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Old 04-13-2011, 07:29 AM   #78
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If there were a Vintage Airstream Club separate from the WBCCI, I would likely join. I'm a vintage Airstream owner and believe in supporting other vintage owners.

I don't have anything for or against the WBCCI. For me, it's a bit like a science experiment, i.e., how long does it take a social club to die and what finally kills it in the end? To a guy with an interest in organizational life cycles, it really is a fascinating case study. It's my opinion that the WBCCI will slowly wither over the next couple of decades and limp along until the financial issues reach some sort of critical mass. I don't see the VAC going anywhere because the culture of the WBCCI is deeply resistant to change. The vested interests have too much invested.

If there was a "split" (in some alternative universe), I would be immediately curious because I would presume the departure would indicate that the VAC people saw a compelling reason to leave the WBCCI. And if they did, this would suggest they might have an idea of what the club's problems are and (gasp!) how to address them. I wouldn't call myself an active member of TAC, but I am a supporter. While I don't know how the club will evolve... at least people are trying something different.

The larger problem--as I see it--is that the aluminum of Airstream as an iconic brand has tarnished. The vintage units have a "cool" that the modern units lack (at least in my opinion). There may have been a time when the WBCCI/VAC added to the luster of the Airstream brand. I respectfully suggest that time has passed. Put simply, I don't know many owners in my age group (sub-50) who bought an Airstream for the chance to join the WBCCI and to wear a blue hat.

The world has changed. People aren't learning about Airstream culture at a campground where everyone is flocking around the hipsters in the shiny bullet. Nope, they are learning about Airstream on the Internet... and then going camping. On the positive side, I think a place like Airforums shows vintage owners as these interesting group of iconoclasts who have a real passion for restoring, renovating and even improving classics Airstreams. On the negative side, I think someone reading threads about the WBCCI could easily conclude that Airstream is the preferred brand of travel trailer for pedants and pain's in the neck.

I think of it this way. Our Overlander will be on the road for another 50 years, long after I'm dead and buried. When people ask about "Helen Wheels," I try to "represent," to be an ambassador for the brand and the tradition. For me, it's not about the cult of Wally Byam or a bunch of silly ceremonial crap. It's not about Thor or the mother ship in Jackson. It's about what Airstream once was and could be again. I'll support any group that can rise above the petty squabbling and celebrate the trailer.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:24 AM   #79
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What other ideas are potential members willing to suggest, support?

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Rallies and more rallies

Simpler Vintage Advantage sent on a consistent basis - make sure all rallies are noted

Either update and keep the website updated (with all rallies noted and a good classified section and library) or close it

Don't worry about what the mother club is doing - remain positive and forward thinking

Do these things and I promise the club will grow to the numbers in the past.

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Old 04-13-2011, 03:58 PM   #80
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I would have already joined the VAC if it were not part of WBCCI. I would not expect to see the VAC split off but would consider joining if it did. I go camping for fun and relaxation.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:53 PM   #81
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Ken,

I wanted to respond to your suggestions.
First - a simpler Vintage Advantage. The problem we have is that there are not enough contributors now for what we do put out. As anybody who has worked on a newsletter can tell you, the act of wrangling up people to write stories and submit them in a timely manner is a challenge. Calls for stories and rallies and whatnot go out way in advanced. We have basically one regular contributor. The rest of the comes from whatever we can scrape in. Without contributions, the VA would be a one page sheet and the back side would be mostly a place for the mailing label. Any contribution, no matter how big or small is welcome - we just need them to come in! There is an idea out there right now that we should go to a bi-monthly VA. But again, getting contributions is the limiting factor. Without submissions, that newsletter would just be a repeat of the last issue with a different picture on the cover.

Website Updates - this also takes a ton of work. The VAC has all the facilities in the world. The web site can do just about anything we need it to do EXCEPT write itself. The facilities are there for anybody to submit content to the site about practically anything. This includes rallies. But that is not happening. We (those of us who are trying to put out publications and maintain websites) need input from the members for what is happening. We send out notices asking for rallies and events going on, but very little comes back. This goes for the Vintage Advantage as well, we ask for input for things happening around the country, we get very few responses back.

To close the web site would in my humble opinion alienate members who do actually get some use from it. About 1/2 of the members join/renew online - that was a benefit they asked for. Shutting that down would be a step in the reverse direction. The site does have a classified ad system, an events system and a library of every vintage document ever given to us in electronic form (all viewable once you have logged in). But given all that it does have, the members just are not taking advantage of it all. We always entertain ideas for improvements and put in place the ones we can (not things can be as everybody wants).

I can say that when it comes to the mothership, the VAC operates about as independently as possible from what WBCCI is doing. I cannot think of one time in the last few years that I can recall where we had to do something because the mothership made us do it. We really just sort of do our own thing.



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Rallies and more rallies

Simpler Vintage Advantage sent on a consistent basis - make sure all rallies are noted

Either update and keep the website updated (with all rallies noted and a good classified section and library) or close it

Don't worry about what the mother club is doing - remain positive and forward thinking

Do these things and I promise the club will grow to the numbers in the past.

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Old 04-13-2011, 06:07 PM   #82
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Please understand that I put these ideas out there as a response to Zep's asking for support and suggestions - not intending to to be critical, or put anyone on the defensive - my intention was to show support - in my opinion, if those four things happened, and whatever it takes to make those things happen, the VAC will turn around.

If I am overstepping my bounds, please do not hesitate to let me know......

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Ken are you saying you want to help Tim accomplish those goals?
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