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Old 03-04-2010, 03:04 PM   #15
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Old 03-05-2010, 02:29 PM   #16
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2air,

You really hit the proverbial nail on the head with your posts in this thread. I wish I could have said it as well as you. airforums rallies are great - I've never attended one I did not enjoy. Thanks to Andy R for putting all this together - long live airforums!

By the way, Andy R has several other cool forum sites. I particularly like the Early Retirement forum - I've learned very valuable lessons from the E-R members.

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Old 03-06-2010, 02:09 AM   #17
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How do you get to the early retirement forum? I am only 3.5 years away from retirement from my current job. I will still work doing something else.

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How do you get to the early retirement forum? I am only 3.5 years away from retirement from my current job. I will still work doing something else.

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Go to the Portal page on this site. Scroll all the way down to the bottom. Look on the left side of the page and you'll see Andy's other sites.

Early Retirement & Financial Independence Community

I like the cooking and the sailing sites....
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Old 03-06-2010, 01:15 PM   #19
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I would like to explore the nuances and ramifications of walking away from anger.

Perhaps that is subject sensitive but then perhaps there are cases to be made in general. How much is too much? When does one call it a day? What are the issues and the compromises involved. While the heading is leading the comments are disappointing. What say Ye?

And of course my first love and loyalty is Air Foruns! Bur let's broaden the discussion to include as much dialog as possible. It seems a very interesting subject.
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Old 03-06-2010, 01:47 PM   #20
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I would like to explore the nuances and ramifications of walking away from anger...

whatz the matter, NOT enough traffic at the save/defend websites???

pot stirring r u C' ?

u posted recently in one of the MANY threads on the wb' how much u enjoyed the mud-wrestling HERE...

SO far this thread had avoided that...

AND there is PLENTY of THAT plastered on the forums already.
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IF in fact the 1st love/loyalty is ARF...

WHY try to provoke more about these issues in a thread where it isn't.
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the on and on and on about the wb and the childish ex members playing in the their OWN back yard now...

HURTs ARF when it TRIES to dominate the portal page here.

yes it HURTs this place and the overall a/s community members who largely DO NOT care about the wb' much.

or have their OWN approach to trying to morph the club.
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and savewally wasn't started to save wally.

it was started to SAVE AIR FORUMS from the repetitive stress of wacking the wb' here everyday in dozens of threads...

once the NEGATIVE feedback about ALL of those threads peaked,

savewally was WISELY started to focus (and CONTROL) those discussions...on a DIFFERENT website.

wally's name as used by the club was NEVER at risk.

the name change was NEVER going to happen and savewally had nothing to do with REALLY effecting ANY changes...

same with the thor products INCLUSION in the wb', THAT was never going to happen either.
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THIS place was USED by the dozen or so wb' members who CLAIMED to be doing something important for the REST of membership...

when what they were REALLY doing was something important for THEMSELVES...

as in SELF PROMOTION, which continues but predictably has worked AGAINST any efforts at real change.

NOT ONE change has resulted in the wb' as a result of ANY commotion by the core/primary savew' group.

NOT ONE.

it could be claimed that AWARENESS was raised by that group and their efforts...

but that awareness was already happening and enabled by modern communications (like arf) more so that ANY direct action at savew'
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ok there's yer mud, now start slinging.

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Old 03-06-2010, 02:22 PM   #21
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I put this thread up because I find the amount of discontent perplexing. I guess I would not know because I have never been a member of an active camping RV club. I have never done a rally or a caravan. Usually it is me the wife and two dogs when we are out camping. We just kind of say hi and meet new people at the campgrounds.

I know when I was active as a coach in sports you could see the neurotic behavior of parents and other coaches. They would always look at the other teams, kids and parents as doing everything all wrong. When all said and done those people were no different then any other team. I can understand it because it is competition. I don't look at camping as competition. I look at it as getting out and bonding with the natural world.

The point I was trying to make is it is time in our society to start getting along. The conflict is not only with airstreamers. I see it with politics, education, and other areas. Lots of anger being spewed in today’s world. What does anger accomplish? More anger. I think it is time to put anger to rest and find common ground. I am happy to see some people moving on and being creative with airstreaming. That is the American way. If the overall majority is not happy with a club (any type of club), then the club will die eventually. Plain and simple. The beauty is if it goes away, then it can be reborn. I have seen that happen in the world of sports before.



So chill out folks and go camping, be happy, and don't eat yellow snow.

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Old 03-06-2010, 09:03 PM   #22
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I would like to explore the nuances and ramifications of walking away from anger.

Perhaps that is subject sensitive but then perhaps there are cases to be made in general. How much is too much? When does one call it a day? What are the issues and the compromises involved. While the heading is leading the comments are disappointing. What say Ye?

And of course my first love and loyalty is Air Forums! But let's broaden the discussion to include as much dialog as possible. It seems a very interesting subject.
I wasn't talking about Save Wally 2Air. I wanted to broaden the discussion to how and when does a person handle anger within themselves or from others. I think anger is something many of us may encounter often in our daily lives. I wanted to move OFF the subject and discuss and examine anger, in general. But I didn't mean to make you... angry. I do appreciate knowing your thoughts.

Times are difficult. The subject is a good one to examine.
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I wasn't talking about Save Wally 2Air. I wanted to broaden the discussion to how and when does a person handle anger within themselves or from others. I think anger is something many of us may encounter often in our daily lives. I wanted to move OFF the subject and discuss and examine anger, in general. But I didn't mean to make you... angry. I do appreciate knowing your thoughts.

Times are difficult. The subject is a good one to examine.
You are welcome to use the argue thread to discuss anger.


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Old 03-06-2010, 09:43 PM   #24
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Thanks Ken. And next time I know to knock before I enter.
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...I wanted to move OFF the subject and discuss and examine anger, in general...
i get it so actually u wanted to HIJACK the thread...

there's a place for that...

and it's NOT the thread ken keeps promoting and intended to railroad the REAL argue thread...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f472...ing-24723.html

more seriously (not really) it seems perhaps u are looking for a HOLE nother sort of forum...

a place to discuss emotions?

is there a drphilsallyjerryoprahfightclub forum somewhere?

i dunno but,

perhaps a daily affirmation may help...

"i'm good enough, i'm smart enough, and doggonit people like me"

or maybe a deep thought can help...

YouTube - Sunday Night Live - Deep Thoughts

it might just be time to rent a movie...

YouTube - Stuart Saves His Family Theatrical Trailer

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Old 03-06-2010, 10:12 PM   #26
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I am writing because I have found myself reading threads getting more heated about certain issues concerning individuals, clubs, money and other things. I guess I could just ignore the threads but I have been trying to make sense out of the rising conflicts. Please no!!! don't repeat the reasons because I have read them over and over in all kinds of threads.

The bottom line is people are angry and standing their ground about certain issues pertaining to airstream RVing. Maybe if people could just turn off the negative and forget about the anger a new light will shine and understanding and common ground can be found. If not new creative ways of airstreaming may come out of it.
I don't find my post to be a hijack from the thread opener, perhaps you have become confused within your own hijack of the thread.

Unless of course the thread was not intended to be posted to. You will have to clarify for me why my post is inappropriate and yours are spot on.

But for now, I'll just say "Good night Gracie."

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Anger, what anger?

Hi, I see, [actually read] people expressing their opinions and disagreements. Oh, and sometimes agreeing with others. Anger, not so much. But it makes you feel better when you get to give your opinion and get the anger out of your system. [helps prevent heart attacks] A little expression of anger on the forum hasn't hurt anyone that I know of. [hasn't hurt me]


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