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Old 02-24-2004, 06:16 PM   #15
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Couple of things fellows ....

don't mean to wee in your pond and certainly would not question Airstreams version of "Noooobody" (Beats Andy's price) I'm sure Andy's Rock Guard is well up to snuff both mechanically and estetically - and although we have not had the pleasure of meeting Andy I have enjoyed reading his expert advice on many topics. We have yet to place our first order - which I'm sure will be substantial by the time we are finished - hence just a small reason to find more economical methods during our refit - not to mention keeping it "Local".

And Yeh - as you've probably gathered, it might be hard to tell me which way to go or not...

But this issue is not just about money it is about maintaining the integrity of the "antique" piece. I know sometimes you have to bite the bullet and get yourself a good replica to replace something that is either missing or broken beyond repair - however.

This unit is 35 years old and it still has the original Stone Guard. And from the hundreds of pictures I've seen alot of them do - except in places were they are not really needed - like in the coastal areas.

Except for some yo yo (not sure if it would have been a male or female- debatable there as I have been known to force a few things closed too) the lift arm was rammed right through the guard. There was no other crack or splits other than just faded and really does not "look" the part against the splendor.

So obviously with care the Vintage frames did hold up. There is also the issue of traveling at 70mph everywhere too which was unheard of back then. (Except during the street drag races)

As far as the material used - well we were not to concerned about UV rays 35 years ago and earlier were we? And today we have "sunglasses on everything from our babies to office buildings" Soon there will be mobile smoked UV bubble protectors for us to walk our dogs in.

Lexan bends and forms pretty good and will follow the contour of the existing frame when cut/shaped professionally. The whole A/S is held together by the rivet system -tried, tested and true!- so I would think the lexan material would hold up a lot better to rivets than the previous material. Sealing the window completely from dirt and debri - will never happen just as the bra on a car. But we can make some modifications to help deter the rub and vibration such as using ss ruber stopers found on many walk through windshield (on boats that is).

Do you get what you pay for? - you certainly do. Someone paid a pretty good penny for her in her day - and her quality can be attested to the fact that she is here today and why so many people are willing to mortgage their house to get vintage parts.

Now I totally agree trying to fix that old fiberglass material would be just too yucky and would not stop the UV rays worth a penny. So the small health concious upgrade is IMHO okay and should not be shuned by the AS gods.

Astetically - will our unit become a "Bambi" NO - that is because she is a 1969 GlobeTrotter Landyacht and always will be .

Written in the best of intensions - and in no way meant to be defensive ............however - I would not be too quick to question the quality of our local tradesman and the "value" of their work.

Advice and Rec's graciously noted.

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Old 02-24-2004, 07:49 PM   #16
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Written in the best of intensions - and in no way meant to be defensive ............however - I would not be too quick to question the quality of our local tradesman and the "value" of their work.

Advice and Rec's graciously noted.

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That's not defensive, that's offensive. Are you suggesting that someone cast aspersions at your local tradesmen?
And it's not "Andy's Rock Guard", it's an Airstream rockguard which is distributed by Inland RV and many other authorized parts and service centers.
As for "Noooobody" (Beats Andy's price)"..........I have NEVER seen anyone make that claim but I have seen posts to the contrary. I think most of us who have been around a while know that Inland RV has exclusive rights to a number of vintage parts and is not a cheap place to do your Airstream shopping.
I'm all for keeping these forums friendly so please, let's not misconstrue our facts.

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Old 02-24-2004, 08:59 PM   #17
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Greetings SPK!

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Lexan bends and forms pretty good and will follow the contour of the existing frame when cut/shaped professionally. The whole A/S is held together by the rivet system -tried, tested and true!- so I would think the lexan material would hold up a lot better to rivets than the previous material. Sealing the window completely from dirt and debri - will never happen just as the bra on a car. But we can make some modifications to help deter the rub and vibration such as using ss ruber stopers found on many walk through windshield (on boats that is).
You may actually find that you like the clear Lexan better than the smoke tinted product. I know that I would prefer the clear Lexan on the three-piece rock guard on my Minuet. One of my favorite features of most of the Vintage coaches is that when the drapes are open on the front and rear window - - you can see through the trailer from front to rear from your tow vehicle (assuming that you are towing with a truck based vehicle). This feature means that you can actually see a car that is tailgating and may not be readily visible in the side mirrors. On my vintage Overlander (single front window), I had the original glass window replaced with Lexan to maintain its see-through quality while towing - - the Lexan has held up beautifully over more than eight years. I felt like I needed the factory guards on the Minuet where the wing windows are so expensive to replace - - one window replaced would more than equal the cost of the entire rock guard.

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Old 02-24-2004, 09:28 PM   #18
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Rog - I too am for keeping forums friendly

And I think you may have taken something in my post in the wrong context.

I was mearly poking fun at the words "you get what you pay for" and relating to our own tradesman.

I read the thread and Andy's responses and from that thread my question was if the "old" guards were so poorly made - why are they still around today?

As far as Nooobody (Beats Andy's Price) - that is pure Canadian fun or should I say more Toronto fun -as Andy At Inland RV (the picture on his website) is the spitting image or could certainly pass as our former Mayor Lastman who's prior business was "Bad Boy Appliances" and that was his slogan.

So no I was not pointing fingers
No I was not slighting Inland RV or Airstream and nor did I not appreciate your input....

Rog I think you are suffering from cabin feaver (not hard to be with the winter we have had!) and may just be in desperate need of a holiday in your Caravel

Overlander - what a great hint re leaving it clear. There was a couple of times on our way home we did say geeeeeeesssss where the heck did he come from????

Mostly we just want to protect the inside glass - many of our roads up hear are only 2 lanes - I mean one on either side not 4 - so we have a lot of gravel shoulders to contend with. When we will be travelling in the winter to more friendly climates we have the winter conditions to deal with (salt and sand). Will have to invest in a good set of Mud Flaps as the Sorento only comes with toy ones

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Old 02-24-2004, 10:39 PM   #19
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SPK, you may be correct in your diagnosis of cabin fever and maybe I did think I caught you weeing in my pond, and maybe I just might be right in asking folks to remember that these forums have more than 4,000 members and to be careful of posting misinformation that might cause misunderstandings.
Go on ahead with your bad self and build your new rockguard as you see fit. If it falls apart, you can always blame it on Husband for not installing it properly. Truth is I'll probably do the same but I sure do like the looks of that solar rockguard. It kinda reaches out and grabs you kinda like Dolly Parton's....er...ah....endowments.
I can appreciate your sentiment on keeping the trailer as original as possible but I guess the bottom line on deciding on what best to do with things like this is to ask yourself if you are restoring the trailer to meet the expectations of other AS enthusiasts or your own satisfaction. It's YOUR trailer so do what you want.
After you croak, the next owner can do the same.

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Old 02-24-2004, 11:06 PM   #20
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While we were hunting for a rock guard for our Tradewind, we happened into our local A/S dealer and mentioned the rock guard to one of their parts guys who had been around for years and years. We needed a flat guard for our pre-1969 trailer, and that guard is the same size as the middle piece on the three-piece guards for the modern pre-widebody trailers. He asked us to wait for a few minutes, and he came back down with a guard that had been ordered as part of a three-piece unit but never used. He sold it to us for about half of what we found them elsewhere and mentioned that he had all kinds of different rock guard sections in parts storage. Some had very minor dings or scratches but were certainly presentable.

Sometimes local dealers end up being not only the easiest but suprisingly the cheapest if they've had the part you need laying around in storage.
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Old 02-25-2004, 08:19 AM   #21
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My 1967 guard was functional but the fiberglass was cracked and holed in a few spots to where it was detracting from the trailer. I purchased the tinted one from Inland (flat, not contoured) and it installed easily. I saved the frame of my original with brackets and hinge since it's still good and someone could just replace the inset with the material of choice. I'll probably list on Ebay as soon as I get around to it.
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Old 02-25-2004, 09:19 AM   #22
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My trailer had one of those clear rock guards at one time; I only know this because it is visible in a picture taken by the PO. It wasn't there anymore when I bought the unit and brought it home, and I wasn't paying attention to such details at that time, being a newbie.

the only evidence that was there was the piano-hinge across the top of the window, which had been buried is silicone. Part of the clean-up process involved removing the remnants of the hinge, vulkem-ing the top of the window, and filling in a couple of holes that I assume held the hardware for the support arms. The only remaining evidence is those spring-loaded hold back thingies along the bottom edge of the window. (there's another one of them on the curb side of the trailer for holding the entry door open...and they look very similar to the inside mechanism of the interior cabinet latches.).

Anyway, I suppose that having wing-windows, I really ought to have something there to protect them. I wonder if a "clear" version is available? on a trip last year, I inadvertantly left the curtains open, as well as the bathroom door, and noticed that I could see straight through and out the back window of the trailer, and I kind of like that feature, so that's now part of my routine. Then again, I guess the solar does act as an "awning" of sorts, and gives added privacy. decisions, decisions....
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I would call Inland RV, if anyone knows they will.

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Old 02-25-2004, 09:48 AM   #24
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Then again, I guess the solar does act as an "awning" of sorts, and gives added privacy. decisions, decisions....
Thanks for digging up the photo of the clear guard and posting it Chuck - this makes my job so much easier now! Peter can have a look from every point of view and make the big 'D'

Oh no...not that 'D'

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Yep Rog......Cabin Feaver

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If you go clear then add a few snaps to hold a made to fit peice of awning fabric over it. If you want shade you just attach
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Old 03-20-2004, 04:20 PM   #26
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Have you started the project, SPK?

I'm asking because my cracked plastic is now shattered, thanks to a high cross wind, but the frame is undamaged.
I took the trailer to my local glass shop said but they said they can't install lexan or anything similar because of the flimsy construction and contour of the frame.
Since a new rockguard isn't within my budget anytime soon, it seems my only option is to remove the frame and patch the holes.
Did the folks at Trent Glass see the frame before they said they could install the panel? If they are sure it can be done, I'll keep looking for someone in my area who might do it.

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Hi Rog;
No not yet - still too cold for us to work outside! We just had another snow storm that dumped another 2.5 inches - looks like our winter is never going to end this year.

Peter will have to be real careful to drill out the rivets when it comes time to removing the stoneguard - so he needs a nice warm day!

However I did send our Trent Glass guy the e-mail photo of the closeup of the frame. His take on it was quite different from your guy - as the lexan is fairly flexible he said he can work with it much better. Trent Glass are into custom window frames and work extensively with the aluminum frames etc. they are acustom to using rivets too - so maybe that is the issue with your guy - maybe they don't want to be responsible for breaking the frame. Trent Glass would replace the lexan if they cut it wrong or break it - so that is why we will get them to do all.

You could get your guy to cut the lexan exact to size and then you install it yourself. My guy gave the option of "do all" as little as we want. I would suggest getting a few scraps and do a bit of testing for your own piece of mind.

As soon as we make a move on any refirb we will certainly post any success or failiures we experience - the least we could for all the great help and advice we have received!

Just need one day above 45 and Peter will be honkering down - he can't wait - and I think it is driving him nuts - thinking about everything he wants to do.

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PS Sorry to hear about that wind - there should be a way to rivet extra tie loops - like the small yacht style to a mini cleat - with some thin blue and white line - very nautical...
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Thanks SPK. One other concern by my "glass guy" was that a flush panel doesn't look like it would clear the support arms underneath. That may be why the original panel was bubble rather than flat. I'll take a closer look at that before I try anything else.
By the way, the wind got in through the cracks in the plastic. The 2 spring clips at the bottom held the frame in place.

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