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12-31-2013, 10:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Currently Looking...
Durango
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,112
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kscherzi
I like the combo. How do you reconcile the trailer tongue weight vs the lesser Jeep tongue weight?
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First off, the published tongue weight for the GC has a proviso for additional tongue weight when using a weight distribution hitch. I'm using a proPride hitch and I ordered it with out the retaining pin hole so that I could get it another 1-1/2" or 2" closer to the rear axle. Published weights are suspect in my opinion and real weights happen when you cross the scales or use a SureLine scale.
Ready to roll, this rig's combined weight is 12,280#. Well within the CGVW rating.
The Airstream brochure shows a gross weight for a Safari 25 FB at 7200#. Mine is 6200# after leaving the stuff you never use in the garage.
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01-01-2014, 07:23 AM
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#22
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Rivet Master
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,525
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvery Moon
I don't want to get into a "my TV vs. your TV" discussion
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Agreed there are too many of those threads already,
Let's please just keep to the topic here..showing the smaller tow vehicles and how they are set up.
I was a Jeep Sales manager in a dealership for some time, and like the GC a lot. Just still looking to go smaller if I can. I like my Excursion, it drives great and has been ultra dependable for the 6+ yrs I ave had it. But the in town driving mileage is 11-12 MPG. I would like to double that, and increase my towing mileage a bit as well. Its also about 11-12.
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01-01-2014, 07:29 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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It would be nice to see photos of these small tv. Like others have said, if there is not a picture it did not happen. I am not positive about small tv, show me pictures and convince me. Jim
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01-01-2014, 09:52 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Currently Looking...
Durango
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,112
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zigzagguzzi
It would be nice to see photos of these small tv. Like others have said, if there is not a picture it did not happen. I am not positive about small tv, show me pictures and convince me. Jim
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See post #8 in this thread
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01-01-2014, 10:28 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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A grande Cherokee is not that small and it is one photo thanks. Jim
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01-01-2014, 11:14 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Some people come on these threads to tell others who have been towing Airstreams with sedans and SUV's for generations it can't be done.
We've got a small truck and car now but are among those who would like to replace them with a small SUV (which today is often a combination of the two).
Would like to see more examples of them working, and less well-worn discussion of why they can't.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles
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01-01-2014, 11:41 AM
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#27
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Rivet Master
2011 28' International
Chatham
, Ontario
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,401
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum
Some people come on these threads to tell others who have been towing Airstreams with sedans and SUV's for generations it can't be done.
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Which is why I've given up posting pictures of my small(er) TV. Ho hum
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01-01-2014, 12:17 PM
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#28
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3 Rivet Member
1969 23' Safari
Blenheim
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 151
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We are using a Montana SV6 with tow package. E Z lift weight distribution. Works for us and our Safari
Sent from my LG-E617G using Airstream Forums mobile app
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01-01-2014, 01:01 PM
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis4x4
See post #8 in this thread
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There a lot of reasons why "Size is in the eye of the beholder" is a good thing.
In this case I don't agree with your assessment. I towed a Bigfoot trailer of similar size and weight for a few years with a '99 Grand Cherokee with a V-8. I never considered it a "small" tow vehicle. The main reason we swapped up to a pickup was primarily to increase the range between fuel fill ups. There were some roads in Montana and Wyoming that I had to depend on one service station to be open, and if it wasn't, I had to wait until it was.
Ken
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01-01-2014, 03:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 19' Bambi
mt. Prospect
, Illinois
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 829
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Sorta small
Okay, my TV is not exactly small in size, as it has a 118" wheelbase, but it has a small engine, with a 2.7L 5 cyl turbo diesel. About 170hp with about 250 ft.lb. of torque w/ 5 speed auto trans. The economy is impressive for the size, as I get about 22-23mpg when not towing, 16-17 with the A/S attached. Cruise at 65 while towing with no problem, and hills will result in a shift down a gear or two, but speed can be maintained. Unfortunately, this size and engine are no longer available. However, the new Mercedes Sprinter is available with a 4 cyl diesel. So, you don't need a massive engine, and the trend towards smaller diesels is encouraging, with many marques introducing them. Chevy Cruze, Volvo, VW, Mercedes, Jeep, Audi, Mazda, BMW and 1/2 ton Ram trucks are all offering diesels this year, with more to come. Small diesels offer economy and low rpm pulling power that is just being discovered by car buyers.
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01-01-2014, 03:24 PM
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#31
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Rivet Master
2013 25' Flying Cloud
Cat City
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 854
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Large: 2007 Suburban. 223" long, 77" high, 5600 lbs curb weight.
Small: 2012 Chry. 300. 198" long, 58" high, 4000 lbs curb weight.
I don't think that is all that controversial, is it? The 'Burb fits in my garage with exactly 1" to spare. We have to open the garage door to get to the washing machine. The Chrysler fits with 24" to spare, and we don't have to open the garage door. I need a stool to check the oil or wash the windows on the 'Burb, but no stool on the 300.
Big and small are not that hard to grasp.
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01-01-2014, 03:46 PM
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#32
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Rivet Master
Port Orchard
, Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,463
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mstephens
Large: 2007 Suburban. 223" long, 77" high, 5600 lbs curb weight.
Small: 2012 Chry. 300. 198" long, 58" high, 4000 lbs curb weight.
I don't think that is all that controversial, is it? The 'Burb fits in my garage with exactly 1" to spare. We have to open the garage door to get to the washing machine. The Chrysler fits with 24" to spare, and we don't have to open the garage door. I need a stool to check the oil or wash the windows on the 'Burb, but no stool on the 300.
Big and small are not that hard to grasp.
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I agree that we must resolve this.
Below is the clarification:
The yellow one is big. The red one is small. Everything in between is some degree of medium.
Ken
P.S. If you pull into the driveway next to the small one, don't run over Daisy.
P.P.S. I'm sure you have heard of CanAm. The hitch setup on the red one was done by a place I discovered south of the border called "MexAm"
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01-01-2014, 04:13 PM
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#33
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ALANSD
I have heard all about the VW Diesel tow vehicles, and other smaller ones.
How about showing your set up with one of these smaller rides?
I am looking into replacing my V10 Excursion with something drastically smaller. My Overlander is about 4500 lbs.
If I could do it with a VW diesel I would be very pleased. Its the non-towing daily around town driving of the EXC that is killing us.
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Bump.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles
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01-01-2014, 04:16 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,525
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I am considering Chrysler 300 , a Magnum or a Charger. Also VW Jetta diesel still sounds very good to me. So far not much else is appealing, oh maybe a Volvo of some sort.
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01-01-2014, 04:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,525
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here is a photo I came across...Its a Golf TDI ..smaller than the Jetta.
This trailer weighs 3500lbs. mine weighs 4000 or so.
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01-01-2014, 04:50 PM
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#36
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia
, Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,591
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Here is a photo from my past. The TV was a 1986 Mercedes 300 D (diesel) 5 cylinder, 77 HP as I recall. The hitch was a custom welded WD receiver type. The trailer was a 1963 Bambi.
It was sloooooooo, but always got me where I wanted to go. This photo was taken on a trip to California from Washington state, to look at a job offer. I didn't take the job, the Bambi is long gone (sigh), and the Mercedes too.
So, yes, Virginia, you can tow a Bambi with a 77 hp diesel.
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01-01-2014, 05:52 PM
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#37
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1968 17' Caravel
2005 30' Safari
Somewhere
, roaming America
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,095
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Sweet! I've been tempted to hitch up my 1984 Mercedes 300D Turbo to my 1968 Caravel, but I've been afraid of killing the transmission. How many miles would you estimate you towed with this rig?
Being the turbo model, mine has a whopping 125 horsepower and 180 ft-lbs or torque ... or at least it did when it was new. That's still going to be slow by any measure. Perhaps I'll drive it downhill only.
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01-01-2014, 06:27 PM
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#38
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Years ago I used to race H&I Gas VW bugs. I towed the race car on a surplus military flat haul trailer. My tow vehicle was a 1964 VW Van with the top cut off. I had to cut it off because I was afraid with all the rust it might blow off on its own. I towed that VW all over the south and as far as Los Vegas for the Nationals a couple of times. So anything is possible even if it is not the smartest thing to do.
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01-01-2014, 07:45 PM
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#39
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ALANSD
here is a photo I came across...Its a Golf TDI ..smaller than the Jetta.
This trailer weighs 3500lbs. mine weighs 4000 or so.
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In the UK, the Golf Tdi is one of the more popular tow vehicles.
When I lived over there, I used to drive an old Land Rover Series IIa for years, 66hp if I remember correctly. I towed all kinds of trailers with that, typically horse boxes.
(not my truck, but an identical model)
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01-01-2014, 08:36 PM
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#40
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Rivet Master
1976 Argosy 24
now being enjoyed by Heath and Mary in
, Vermont
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,432
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There you go Alan....
A couple of strong recommendations for the VW Golf TD1, complete with photo proof! It will be terrific.
All the best for the New Year,
Sergei
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