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06-25-2014, 11:09 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2008 23' International
carlsbad
, California
Join Date: Jun 2014
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Rivets missing on inside wall
I think the pic says it all. How do I replace/fix?
Thanks!
Airstream 2008 Int Sig 23d
2012 Ford F150 FX4
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06-25-2014, 11:36 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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Rivet gun and ALL aluminum Pop Rivets.
Best guess is 1/8" but could be 5/32".
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06-25-2014, 11:39 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2008 23' International
carlsbad
, California
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 45
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TG T... It's 2008... Not sure if there is way to know for sure?
Airstream 2008 Int Sig 23d
2012 Ford F150 FX4
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06-25-2014, 11:53 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 6,014
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Rivets missing on inside wall
All big box stores carry pop rivets. Buy a box of 25 of each size. And see which one fits in the hole. Get a quality pop rivet gun.
Be sure to get ALL aluminum rivets.
If you keep having rivets pop and they are 1/8". You may eventually have to increase the size to 5/32" to compensate for the continual drilling and enlargement of the hole.
Some will say pop rivets breaking is caused by vibration from the running gear being out of balance. Which could be the case.
Other causes may be a sudden shock of hitting a pot hole or curb etc.
Or the aluminum sheet not being properly installed at the factory. Lose installation to begin with, allowing the rivet to move in the hole and get cut off.
Or simply a weak pop rivet.
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06-26-2014, 07:32 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 21' Globetrotter
Houston
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,322
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When rivets start to pop, they are often a symptom of greater ills. As mentioned above, it could be caused by wheels out of balance, etc., but it could also be a broken frame, hardened elastomer rods in your axle, too stiff of weight distribution bars, too burly of a tow vehicle, etc.. Take a few minutes to slide underneath your trailer and have a good look around. Also take a good look at the exterior of your shell, and look for buckling/bowing panels, rivet damage, cracking, etc.
good luck!
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06-26-2014, 07:48 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari
St. Augustine
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 2,670
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Put an aluminum rivet in. I had one missing on my roof. You may need to borrow a shaver for the rivet.
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06-26-2014, 08:37 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Chelsea
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,792
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodsterinfl
Put an aluminum rivet in. I had one missing on my roof. You may need to borrow a shaver for the rivet.
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Interior rivets are pop rivets that do not need to be "shaved." You're thinking of an olympic rivet that is often used to replace a popped buck rivet on the exterior skin. Olympic rivets need to be shaved to look like a normal buck rivet.
In any event, before inserting the replacement pop rivet, make sure to carefully drill out any remaining metal from the old rivet. And by careful, I mean to make sure you don't pierce the exterior skin of your trailer!
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11-09-2014, 02:20 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1989 25' Excella
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 36
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What size drill bit best used to remove 1/8 inch pop rivet?
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11-09-2014, 02:27 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Commercial Member
2009 30' Classic
Melbourne, FL
, Searsport, ME
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 309
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1/16" should do.
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11-09-2014, 02:36 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1957 30' Sovereign of the Road
1959 28' Ambassador
1949 24' Limited
Peru
, New York
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 745
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cmmorsey
Attachment 214938
I think the pic says it all. How do I replace/fix?
Thanks!
Airstream 2008 Int Sig 23d
2012 Ford F150 FX4
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Don't buy the rivets at the "Big Box Store", as they are likely aluminum rivets with a steel mandrel. We see this all the time, they are a real pain to drill out the steel mandrel, plus the mandrels tend to rust & leave stains on the interior. I get my pop rivets through Fastenal & make sure they are aluminum rivets with an aluminum mandrel. I believe Vintage Trailer Supply also carry's them. They are 1/8" diameter.
Colin
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12-18-2014, 06:39 AM
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1 Rivet Member
1995 34' Limited
1978 23' Safari
Napanee
, Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 13
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rivet length
The internal rivet size is 1/8", what would be a typical length of rivet for internal skin installation?
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12-18-2014, 01:39 PM
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Rivet Master
1981 31' Excella II
New Market
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,145
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1/8" long all aluminum pop rivets are fine but 1/4" long will work fine as well. A few broken rivets it common even on newer trailers. Now when you have several along the same rivet line then you may have to vibration issues. Rivets tend to loosen up close to the wheel wells, since that is where most of the vibrations are from out of balance tires or worn out axles that no long have any spring left in them.
Perry
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12-18-2014, 01:55 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
ottawa (greely)
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2012
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When we bought our first airstream(2012) we were told at the dealer there maybe a few rivets that might pop out on our way home . And when we got home sure enough there was one and after a few months another popped out , when we were in jackson center getting all our warrantee work done ,they replace the two rivets with stainless steel rivets and told us this is what they do . This is what the tech told us ,he was instructed to replace any aluminum rivets that pop out with stainless steel rivets. Hope this doesn't cause any corrossion problems ( two dissimilar metals cause corrossion this is what I know from the automotive trade) I guess I will never know as I sold it last summer.
Don
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12-18-2014, 02:19 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2009 27' FB International
LA LA Land...
, California
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 290
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This happens to me, occasionally, and I just wait until I have the trailer serviced at an Airstream dealer. Last time they charged me all of $0.75 per rivet.
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12-18-2014, 02:33 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,346
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No big deal, I've had it happen to both of my Airstreams. And in both it was just to the rear of the door header. So I think it's just normal flexing that causes it. I just pop a new rivet in, after testing it with a magnet to make sure it's not steel.
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12-18-2014, 02:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Chelsea
, Michigan
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,792
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An occasional popped rivet is just part of being an Airstreamer. Get a pop rivet gun at any hardware store and a supply of various sized aluminum rivets and get used to it. There are lots of YouTube videos on how to drill out an old failed rivet and install a new one. Look at a couple of those to get the hang of it. If you can, practice on a couple of pieces of junk metal stock.
If you have the same rivet failing over and over again, or if you see a half dozen rivets in one area fail in one towing episode, then you might have an issue to investigate further. Otherwise, don't sweat it.
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12-18-2014, 04:12 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,711
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We for the first year or two had rivets pop along a line above the kitchen. My guess was that they weren't installed properly. Once I put new ones in, they stayed in. Maybe I can apply for a job installing rivets in JC.
I've had a few others pop over 50,000 miles and I keep the rivet gun, bit and rivets in the trailer. Sometimes I have to use an oversize one because the holes that were factory drilled have worn too large.
I recall that when you drill out the remains, inch sized drill bits are too big or too small. These require different sized bits with numbers in the 20's. It would be helpful if I could remember the size, but I bought the bit in 2008. Maybe someone remembers the bit size.
Gene
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