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Old 08-08-2010, 04:20 PM   #1
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Angry What's the deal with not being allowed to bring your own firewood?

I am noticing that in the last five years all of the campgrounds have freaked about some beetle that lives in downed firewood and heaven forbid you should bring your own firewood from "your" part of the country for fear of spreading this things' existence into their campground. Growing up this was no big deal.

I see it as just a scam and a way for the campground owners and State Parks to make money...selling a dinky bundle of firewood for $5. I have campfires at home...and will never pay to buy their wood just so I can have a campfire while camping.

Sometimes I bring along 2 x 4 and hard wood scraps from the wood shop...there aren't any beetles living on that kiln dried wood. I have never had anyone say anything about my bringing that wood, but the whole deal just irks me.

Can anyone shed any info on this; maybe help me see it in a different light?
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We know more than we did then, and we know that introducing alien species into environments where they have different food and predators can be... VERY DESTRUCTIVE.

Humanity has done a great job of wrecking whole ecosystems by moving rats onto islands, typhus to Native Americans, worms, fungi, and beetles.

The camps are compelled by state and federal government to advise travelers of these risks. It's not their choice.
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Emerald Ash Borer. You have to have been asleep for the past few years to have not heard of it. No scam - it is destroying trees in parts of the country. Use local firewood or do without.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:52 PM   #4
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Al is correct. Came in through Windsor, CA and Detroit in wooden packing containers from China. Has descimated Ash trees in MI and Ontario. It is now in OH, WI, IL, IN and little pockets elsewhere. The Larvea travel in firewood and infect new forests. I have been spending almost $100 per year to preventatively treat 3 ashes in my yard for the last 6 years. The pest was found about 5 miles from my house in 07 and my neighbor now has infestation in his ash. So far my treatments are working.
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Emerald Ash Borer. You have to have been asleep for the past few years to have not heard of it. No scam - it is destroying trees in parts of the country. Use local firewood or do without.
Yes EAB (Emerald Ash Borer) is no joke! I work for the Conservation Dept in my home state. EAB has caused major problems in the east and its working its way west. The rule is if you bring firewood from home to camp burn it all and don't transport it across state lines. We have found one positive case of EAB in our state and it was in a Federal campground. The County inwhich the campground is located is now under quarentine. No movement of firewood out of the county. This can mean big $ losses to the forest products industry and to our local communities that rely on forestry based recreation.
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We just got back from Dillon Colorado and trust me it's not a scam! Whole campgrounds are bare (they had to cut down all the dead trees) and the mountains are almost all dead brown trees. I grew up skiing in that area and it's very sad to see forests gone due to some stupid lodge poll pine beetle. So follow the rules and spring for a bundle of wood.
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I just got back from the North Slope of the Uintah range in Utah. It looks to me like more than half of that forest is dead, or going that direction. The whole thing needs to burn - a very sad situation.
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here are some picture @ Dillon. It only affected the Lodge Pole Pine. In Summit County that is all they have and most are dead.
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You offer a good option, 2x4s and woodwork scraps should be ok. For SoCal, bark beetle for the pines and fungus and insect die off of our local oaks is not just sad to see, but also a fire danger. We stopped transporting from our local wood pile outside the area because we want to preserve those places we travel to. Hate to think of what we might contaminate far from our forests. I had not realzed the EAB infestation issue, but still, we buy locally or are considering, (hold your breath, ) a Fire Dancer propane campfire for places where we cannot burn wood.
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If you've ever seen the damage and devastation caused by the pine beetles you'd know this isn't a scam. It's real and it's having major affects in our forests. The wood we use for our fireplace at home (and for camping) is from northern Arizona but if we travel out of our "home area" we do not take wood with us. We haven't seen a lot of this sort of restriction on campground firewood in our area but it's getting more common.
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Have you forgotten the American Chestnut,when I was a kid we had thousands of dead ones on our land in Ohio.Did any survive any where else in the country? Dave
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Bark beetles are all over the west and as far north as Alaska and as far south as Mexico. Several years ago the ips beetle (a variety of bark beetle) came through our land and killed scores and scores of piñon and cedar. Some of those piñon were 300+ years old. Thye have not lacked for firewood for 10 years, but I have far fewer trees.

I have seen restrictions on firewood transportation all over the US and Canada. There are other non-native bugs attacking trees also. You have now learned about another one. Take this seriously. Whole forests have died in some parts of the country.

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Dave, the chestnut unfortunately died almost completely out (billions were killed, seriously, BILLIONS), but people are trying to genetically re-engineer it to be more blight resistant. There are still 600 to 800 mature trees in part of Michigan, and others in other areas outside its normal range, like in the West, where settlers brought seeds with them to plant. Some also survive in Canada. There is one planted on the White House lawn that is apparently doing well!
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There must be millions of dead pines in the southeast.

About 3 years ago we found pine beetles in our established pines in MS probably 300 are down so far.

About 1/2 mile from the house we have over 3000 small pines (4 years old) and expect to loose them all over the next few years to expensive to try to kill off the beetles.

So NO this is no scam.
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Emerald Ash Bore will make Pine beetle like like a day at the beach before it is done. It is a real natural catastrophe.
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As of July 2010, EAB had been found in 15 states: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesotta, Missouri, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, Wisconsin and West Virginia, plus two Canadian provinces.

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There is a national effort to limit the spread and impact of EAB. A national plan, coordinated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Animal Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS), guides what federal, state and local officials must do to manage this insect. Infested areas are quarantined, which means that selected materials such as firewood from deciduous trees, ash nursery stock, and ash logs may not be moved out of infested areas. Where outlying infestations are detected, large numbers of infested ash trees are sometimes cut and destroyed to reduce EAB populations. Research is underway in many universities and government agencies to find better ways to detect and manage this pest.
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Being the self-sufficient types, we often don't spend any money in the local economy when camping (aside from the camping fee).

I don't mind a campground selling firewood to generate some cash flow, especially if the campground (state parks specifically) keeps the money to spend on the campground.

I'll gladly spend the occassional $5 on local firewood if it contributes to healthy forests.
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A year before the ban on moving trees from Michigan a local upscale shopping center was built a couple miles from me. They purchased their Ash trees in MI because they were $1.25 less per tree.

EAB was found and the State of OH spent hundreds of thousands cutting down every Ash in a mile radius to try and stop the spread. EAB showed up in our development this spring - including my back yard. 10 of 27 trees in my yard are Ash. One third of the developments street trees are Ash and the State and City have given up trying to control the spread. The street trees are now 20 years old and just coming into that beautiful spread on the streets - mine are much older. In two or three years nearly a thousand street trees will be dead or dying. When it comes home - you'll know what the big deal is.

A few pics of one corner of my yard - an infected tree and the woodpecker damage that just adds to the damage to the trees cambium.
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It is a worthy effort to try to save the Ash trees. Unfortunately from what I have read and heard, in the end it is likely a hopeless cause. I guess at some time they will breed a new Ash tree that is resistant to the beetle but until they they will sadly continue to disappear. One area that will really be impacted is the baseball bat industry, as I understand it, most bats are currently made out of Ash. As a matter of fact Louisville Slugger Baseball Bat Co. has this on their website.... Louisville Slugger - The Slugger Story What the heck, I think the Tree of Heaven is going to take over everything anyway (at least around here). Man I don't understand why property owners don't cut those things down, but that's a whole 'nother topic!
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Old 08-12-2010, 01:14 PM   #20
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Im thinking about taking a 2 man crosscut saw with me to cut firewood from downed trees when I get thare. AS far as I know that is totaly OK as long as you are using muscle power. Shouldn't take much time to get all the fire wood you want and you can take it back to camp to split in tree trunk form, easier to carry that way. I think it will pack under my mattress easily with the handles removed. Just like being a kid again!
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