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Old 08-08-2010, 04:20 PM   #1
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Angry What's the deal with not being allowed to bring your own firewood?

I am noticing that in the last five years all of the campgrounds have freaked about some beetle that lives in downed firewood and heaven forbid you should bring your own firewood from "your" part of the country for fear of spreading this things' existence into their campground. Growing up this was no big deal.

I see it as just a scam and a way for the campground owners and State Parks to make money...selling a dinky bundle of firewood for $5. I have campfires at home...and will never pay to buy their wood just so I can have a campfire while camping.

Sometimes I bring along 2 x 4 and hard wood scraps from the wood shop...there aren't any beetles living on that kiln dried wood. I have never had anyone say anything about my bringing that wood, but the whole deal just irks me.

Can anyone shed any info on this; maybe help me see it in a different light?

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Old 08-08-2010, 04:33 PM   #2
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We know more than we did then, and we know that introducing alien species into environments where they have different food and predators can be... VERY DESTRUCTIVE.

Humanity has done a great job of wrecking whole ecosystems by moving rats onto islands, typhus to Native Americans, worms, fungi, and beetles.

The camps are compelled by state and federal government to advise travelers of these risks. It's not their choice.

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Old 08-08-2010, 04:39 PM   #3
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Emerald Ash Borer. You have to have been asleep for the past few years to have not heard of it. No scam - it is destroying trees in parts of the country. Use local firewood or do without.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:52 PM   #4
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Al is correct. Came in through Windsor, CA and Detroit in wooden packing containers from China. Has descimated Ash trees in MI and Ontario. It is now in OH, WI, IL, IN and little pockets elsewhere. The Larvea travel in firewood and infect new forests. I have been spending almost $100 per year to preventatively treat 3 ashes in my yard for the last 6 years. The pest was found about 5 miles from my house in 07 and my neighbor now has infestation in his ash. So far my treatments are working.
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Old 08-08-2010, 04:58 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Al - K4GLU View Post
Emerald Ash Borer. You have to have been asleep for the past few years to have not heard of it. No scam - it is destroying trees in parts of the country. Use local firewood or do without.
Yes EAB (Emerald Ash Borer) is no joke! I work for the Conservation Dept in my home state. EAB has caused major problems in the east and its working its way west. The rule is if you bring firewood from home to camp burn it all and don't transport it across state lines. We have found one positive case of EAB in our state and it was in a Federal campground. The County inwhich the campground is located is now under quarentine. No movement of firewood out of the county. This can mean big $ losses to the forest products industry and to our local communities that rely on forestry based recreation.
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We just got back from Dillon Colorado and trust me it's not a scam! Whole campgrounds are bare (they had to cut down all the dead trees) and the mountains are almost all dead brown trees. I grew up skiing in that area and it's very sad to see forests gone due to some stupid lodge poll pine beetle. So follow the rules and spring for a bundle of wood.
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Old 08-08-2010, 05:06 PM   #7
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I just got back from the North Slope of the Uintah range in Utah. It looks to me like more than half of that forest is dead, or going that direction. The whole thing needs to burn - a very sad situation.
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here are some picture @ Dillon. It only affected the Lodge Pole Pine. In Summit County that is all they have and most are dead.
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You offer a good option, 2x4s and woodwork scraps should be ok. For SoCal, bark beetle for the pines and fungus and insect die off of our local oaks is not just sad to see, but also a fire danger. We stopped transporting from our local wood pile outside the area because we want to preserve those places we travel to. Hate to think of what we might contaminate far from our forests. I had not realzed the EAB infestation issue, but still, we buy locally or are considering, (hold your breath, ) a Fire Dancer propane campfire for places where we cannot burn wood.
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If you've ever seen the damage and devastation caused by the pine beetles you'd know this isn't a scam. It's real and it's having major affects in our forests. The wood we use for our fireplace at home (and for camping) is from northern Arizona but if we travel out of our "home area" we do not take wood with us. We haven't seen a lot of this sort of restriction on campground firewood in our area but it's getting more common.
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Have you forgotten the American Chestnut,when I was a kid we had thousands of dead ones on our land in Ohio.Did any survive any where else in the country? Dave
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Old 08-08-2010, 05:57 PM   #12
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Bark beetles are all over the west and as far north as Alaska and as far south as Mexico. Several years ago the ips beetle (a variety of bark beetle) came through our land and killed scores and scores of piñon and cedar. Some of those piñon were 300+ years old. Thye have not lacked for firewood for 10 years, but I have far fewer trees.

I have seen restrictions on firewood transportation all over the US and Canada. There are other non-native bugs attacking trees also. You have now learned about another one. Take this seriously. Whole forests have died in some parts of the country.

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Dave, the chestnut unfortunately died almost completely out (billions were killed, seriously, BILLIONS), but people are trying to genetically re-engineer it to be more blight resistant. There are still 600 to 800 mature trees in part of Michigan, and others in other areas outside its normal range, like in the West, where settlers brought seeds with them to plant. Some also survive in Canada. There is one planted on the White House lawn that is apparently doing well!
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Old 08-08-2010, 06:47 PM   #14
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There must be millions of dead pines in the southeast.

About 3 years ago we found pine beetles in our established pines in MS probably 300 are down so far.

About 1/2 mile from the house we have over 3000 small pines (4 years old) and expect to loose them all over the next few years to expensive to try to kill off the beetles.

So NO this is no scam.

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