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08-17-2019, 02:10 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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Permanent EMS Install 25ft FB
Hope this is the correct forum for this.
I fried my Surge Guard 34730. At least I think I did. I had to pry one of the prongs from my umbilical out of the head of the Surge unit. I don't want to trust it again,and I think I should do the permanent install of the HW30C.
Before I get into it,has anyone done this on this unit? Is there a particular place in the 25FB queen that it fits best? I haven't ordered the unit yet so I don't know the physical size.
Any suggestions from anyone with experience with this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
George
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08-18-2019, 08:17 AM
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New Member FC 25FB
2019 25' Flying Cloud
2019 26' Flying Cloud
Johns Creek
, Georgia
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 8
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No answer for you (yet) but I’m working on almost exactly the same question and will pass on anything I learn. I’m also looking to install a permanent Progressive Industries surge protector in a FC 25FB queen. Only diff is mine’s a 50 watt which I already purchased (kind of a leap of faith not knowing where best to put it).
I was figuring under the couch/bunk where the power comes in nut haven’t figured out how to get at it.
Best wishes to both of us an let’s stay tuned.
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08-18-2019, 08:39 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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How much room is there next to or near the main trailer circuit breaker box? Enough space for the unit?
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08-18-2019, 08:41 AM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,077
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inside permanent mount is the THE way to go.
i did this more than a year ago.
last summer is replaced the outside plug with a SMART PLUG
i also have to remote inside monitor for the surge guard
this way the guard is safe and dry. you can never forget to use it or lose it
it has saved my bacon a number of times
things i seen in two years - open ground
- under voltage
- over voltage
- crossed polarity
basically almost everything that the surge guard checks for
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08-18-2019, 08:43 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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That was going to be where I would look so I guess I'd better get the dimensions. WesVasey, I would think the 30 and the 50 would be the same size physically, just different guts. What are the dimensions of your unit?
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08-18-2019, 09:21 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,674
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Hi
There is no such thing as a "normal" AS trailer ... each one is a bit different so here goes:
Many trailers have a "stacked" AC panel above a converter charger. The place you want to get to is the AC panel. The EMS needs to go in somewhere near there to make the wiring "easy". The other "easy" location is by the inlet plug on the trailer. (if there is only one inlet).
First place to check for "enough space" is behind / next to / (under??) the converter / charger. If there is room there, then that's the place to put it.
You need a 30A unit for a 30A trailer. If you have a 50A setup, then you need a 50A version. I would also suggest that getting one with a remote readout is a really good idea.
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On to the other half of this:
If your plug got welded into the existing EMS, then that suggests that either the plug or the socket are a bit worn. Best to check the plug and see if it has problems. If so, head over to the store and get a replacement. They aren't very expensive ....
Bob
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08-18-2019, 09:28 AM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,077
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in my as 22fb
my water filter, pressure regulator and EMS go under the pantry
that is VERY close to the AC inlet and right next to the fuse panel under the fridge
if we replace the fridge with a bigger compressor style, we will relocate the fuse panel to under the bed. that is where we store all the other electronic bits ie Victron converter/inverter, MPPT controller etc
we no longer have a converter under the fridge as it was replaced with the Victron 3k unit under the bed
the road side area was empty space and is now much better utilized
next summer, i will upgrade from 1 BattelBorn Lion battery to 3
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08-18-2019, 09:58 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1992 26' Land Yacht
Wickes
, Arkansas
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 70
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Permanent mount inside the unit is the only way to go. Mine is mounted next to the electrical distribution pannel. That way it is always in line and we do not have to worry about a loose unit on the pedestal vanishing.
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08-18-2019, 10:16 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Southwestern Ontario
, Ontario Canada
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 307
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I have a EB 25FB 30A and installed it near the panel under the bed. There is a perfect spot for it. My main reason for that is so I can protect all power inputs from the front or rear exterior connections before the transfer switch. Here are the pics. I also mounted it with rubber insulators to reduce the humm sound that sometimes is evident. I ran the external monitor panel to the front door near the store switch.
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08-18-2019, 10:39 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
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So when the surge protector does it's job and fails stopping a surge, do you really want to disassemble the trailer to install a replacement?
External units are easily replaced. Our new Progressive Industries EMS-PT50X unit came with a security connection to deter easy theft without destroying the unit.
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08-18-2019, 10:45 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 27' Overlander
Baltimore
, Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,042
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switz
So when the surge protector does it's job and fails stopping a surge, do you really want to disassemble the trailer to install a replacement?
External units are easily replaced. Our new Progressive Industries EMS-PT50X unit came with a security connection to deter easy theft without destroying the unit.
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I agree that easy replacement is a consideration, but I'd hardly consider removing four screws on the front of the EMS and swapping a board to be "disassembling the trailer."
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08-18-2019, 11:27 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
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On to the other half of this:
If your plug got welded into the existing EMS, then that suggests that either the plug or the socket are a bit worn. Best to check the plug and see if it has problems. If so, head over to the store and get a replacement. They aren't very expensive ....
Bob
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Thanks Bob. I took the unit to a local RV store and asked them if they could check it's viability for me but they only wanted to sell me a new one.(Not cheap here in Canada ) so my question is. How can I check the female end where the problem was if I don't have a 30A source.
I have a multi meter but other than checking my batteries I'm rather cautious with electronics. The plug and socket don't feel worn and still have a tight fit.
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08-18-2019, 11:29 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TRIPPPIN
I have a EB 25FB 30A and installed it near the panel under the bed. There is a perfect spot for it. My main reason for that is so I can protect all power inputs from the front or rear exterior connections before the transfer switch. Here are the pics. I also mounted it with rubber insulators to reduce the humm sound that sometimes is evident. I ran the external monitor panel to the front door near the store switch.
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I like this spot, thanks verdana. I'll have to stash my Scotch somewhere else though
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08-18-2019, 11:32 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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Quote:
Originally Posted by switz
So when the surge protector does it's job and fails stopping a surge, do you really want to disassemble the trailer to install a replacement?
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OK for me.
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08-18-2019, 02:12 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 154
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I put our EMS next to the converter on our 06 25’ Safari FBQ, in the round panel at the foot of the bed. Access is easy; lift the bed. I had to pull out the converter to drill a hole for the wires but that’s pretty easy. Buy the one with the remote display for this location. I put in a transfer switch at the same time behind the converter. It’s tight, but it works.
(Never thought of putting my bottle of Canadian in there .....)
Steve
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08-18-2019, 02:36 PM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 15,606
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My EMS 30 got fried on this trip by a nearby lightning strike. Manufacturer sent me a new one for no charge. Good product with great service.
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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08-18-2019, 03:12 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2019 25' Flying Cloud
North-Central
, Florida
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 115
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Similar question but for 25FB Twin?
Good ideas above but wondering what folks have found best for the PD EMS install in a 25FBTwin?
Thx.
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08-18-2019, 08:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' FB International
2007 20' Safari SE
2005 19' Safari
Qualicum Beach
, British Columbia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,096
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Thanks for all the answers and suggestions . I had a good look at the space and it will work fine with enough room left over for essentials )
As it is a 2014 it already has the transfer switch and I am assuming that the EMS has to go in line before the switch.
Trying to find a schematic of the electrical system in the trailer.
Any ideas where to look?
George
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08-18-2019, 08:50 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,077
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all schematics and detailed docs are free of the Airstream site
look for the documents folder
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08-18-2019, 08:54 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
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