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Old 10-19-2009, 05:19 PM   #225
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I don't think transition will be smooth, but it needs to happen...I think PeeWee is dead on, and I think that the older ideals are correct...camping should, in my opinion, be fun, not an organizational function...you don't have to have a beret to have a campfire, and you don't need an ID badge to drink a beer...if you want to, ok, just don't expect me to do the same...I like the friends that WBCCI allowed me to meet, but the direction is disturbing....organization is imperative, but I'm tired of feeding folks who could care less about me except for my dues....fiscal responsibility is not difficult, just needs to be addressed...so, how do we do this? mike
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:27 PM   #226
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I think I miss quoted.
That unit president looked me in the eye and said thier campin at Boseman didnt cost them anything.She said they were there for almost two weeks. I don't think anyone paid thier fuel out there from here,but there again WHO KNOWS.
It makes me sad that a great orginazation is goin down the tubes,because of the Higher Escutcheon is squandering the money that is paid in by HARD WORKING People who are working so hard to make their local units work.But like someone said they Dont give a care for the little guy all they want is his dues money. KEEPER COMMIN BOYS.
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Old 10-19-2009, 06:37 PM   #227
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Roger what did you mean "oh, I have been denied membership?"
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:27 PM   #228
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Rob
I think I miss quoted.
That unit president looked me in the eye and said thier campin at Boseman didnt cost them anything.She said they were there for almost two weeks. I don't think anyone paid thier fuel out there from here,but there again WHO KNOWS.
It makes me sad that a great orginazation is goin down the tubes,because of the Higher Escutcheon is squandering the money that is paid in by HARD WORKING People who are working so hard to make their local units work.But like someone said they Dont give a care for the little guy all they want is his dues money. KEEPER COMMIN BOYS.
Roger,
You have no idea what you are writing about. Unit Presidents get nothing for travel. Nothing. The Presidents pay International rally fees just like everyone else. They may have to be at the International early to do stuff but they get nothing paid for.

Dude, you really need to step back and quit being a WBCCI basher when you have NEVER been a participating member.

Your posts are starting to get under my skin (I'm being PC here).

Lets just get this said; "Shut up about WBCCI stuff you know nothing about"
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:38 PM   #229
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Gee, Ed, how do you really feel?...I personally like this venue, as it allows folks to express their views, where ever they come from...kinda like having the military in front of you while you complain about the view...just one TTQ's opinion...mike
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:51 PM   #230
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You have created a great thread...I look forward to sharing a six-pack with you...or maybe just a stick or two of firewood...your choice...mike
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:23 PM   #231
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Gee, Ed, how do you really feel?...I personally like this venue, as it allows folks to express their views, where ever they come from...kinda like having the military in front of you while you complain about the view...just one TTQ's opinion...mike
I tell it like it is from being in the middle of the mix. Roger has NO idea what the WBCCI is about other than what he reads.

Anyone can bark but to have cred, in my eyes, they need to get involved and not throw stones without being a participant.

How do I feel, I think those that don't take the time to work within the WBCCI have no idea what the club is about and should shut the hell up.

there now you know how I feel, clear??????
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:25 PM   #232
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I have tried cauliflower several times. Each time I wonder why I tried it, as I really don't like it.

My wife loves cauliflower. I would never hold that against her. We never discuss my dislike of cauliflower, or her taste for it.

I have never tried to influence others one way or the other about cauliflower.

Why would I want to do that? I just avoid it, and eat what I like.
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You have created a great thread...I look forward to sharing a six-pack with you...or maybe just a stick or two of firewood...your choice...mike
Mike,

Either one sounds great! I've been known to sit around a fire, sipping a bit of Jack, and swapping tales of adventure......many, of which, are not suitable for the genteel community.

At the Regional Rally week-before-last, Tom Collier (IBT President) said that he gets either $1.06 or $1.08 from each WBCCI member (another person was taking notes for me, as I was not present for his question and answer period). What he has to budget from that.....I have no idea.....nor do I know how many members there are in WBCCI. My interest level went down when I realized that my membership for 18 months would have cost me 1.5 times what it should have.....he will just have to subtract that buck and change from this year's taxation.

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Old 10-19-2009, 09:37 PM   #234
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:43 PM   #235
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Why would I want to join an organization where members tell others to "shut up" because they don't like what is said, or another member makes up things about me. You can learn a lot by reading about an organization from members and former members.

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Old 10-19-2009, 09:46 PM   #236
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Yeah, Ed but how do you REALLY feel...
IT"S A DISCUSSION, not a hate/dislike thrower...anger won't solve it...constuctive approach will...and, YES, funds are being dispersed for travel, meals, and location...look at the treasury records(kinda hard to access and interpret, but possible)...one use for IRS is back access(maybe the only one)...I spend $55/yr, and am happy to do that to support this organization, but not functions, travel, or meals for folks that don't know/don't care anything about me except my dues...it is happening...$5k for the international meal, alone...all I'm saying is pay yer own way, buy yer own food, share the rent on a dayhall...give the membership a break, balance the budget, and if it ain't there, DON"T SPEND IT...mike
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:50 PM   #237
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I've heard Ed's position before. I'm a veteran, but I don't think only veterans can have an opinion about the military. I don't think a person needs to buy stock in GM or Ford to have an opinion about the future of the American auto industry. I don't think a person has become a member of PETA or the National Rifle Association to decide one or the other isn't a good fit for them.

The WBCCI may be perfect for Ed and many existing members. It may not work for others. As artfully stated by Jim, some folks like cauliflower; others don't. If I didn't own an Airstream, I would have zero interest in the fate of the WBCCI or Thor/Airstream. Having made a significant financial and emotional investment in a vintage Airstream, I think it would be swell if the club and the company were at least modestly successful. As noted earlier, I really don't want to tell people, "Yeah, it's an Airstream, but it was made before Airstream sucked."

Many social organizations would kill to have members and potential members passionate enough to create a thread like this. Honestly, I haven't read any post where I thought the person wanted the the WBCCI to fail. Just like Airstream fails to tap into the incredible potential of this forum; so does the WBCCI. The "Come to a rally and have fun," well, it doesn't really address the fundamental issue... nor does waiting for the old guard to die. While some may find this thread uncomfortable, having people still interested in seeing a successful, growing, profitable WBCCI is a good thing. I just hope the passion in the Airstream community is as strong when the WBCCI is finally ready to change.
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What a thread!!!anger, protestation, insight, ignorance, sidelines, and...yes!!! even cauliflower...lordy but I love the AS forums!!!mike
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