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Old 02-12-2010, 11:25 AM   #1
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Letter to the IBT/EC7

I had planned to send this letter to the IBT, but then thought there were many others that might be doing the samething. With that, I thought I'd start a thread where everyone could post their letters to the IBT. In a couple of weeks, I'll print them all off and send them via US Post Office to WBCCI HQ.

So here's mine.

Members of the IBT/EC7,

I’m writing to you about the subject of Leo G’s membership expulsion from the WBCCI. I can understand you may not like what he has to say, how he says it and what he thinks about the leadership of this club at the International level. The point is, he has the right to stand up and say so as a member of this club. You’re always asking for input from the members, well, he gives it to you. You just don’t like what he has to say.

If it was not for Leo and others, many of us would not know really what is going on with the $$ at the leadership level, the name change issue, wanting to bring Fourwinds motor homes into the club, etc… The bottom line, he has exposed much of what goes on at your level to the rest of the club to see. I’m sorry if you don’t like that, but many of us don’t have the time to track everything you are doing on a daily bases. I find it appalling that you find it easier to “shoot the messenger” than it is to fix many of the problems that he so clearly has pointed out.

So often you speak about “At the Unit Level” is the heart of the WBCCI. If that’s the case then, let the NY Metro Unit decided what “they” want to do with Leo’s membership in the club! To my knowledge, the NY Metro Unit has “no” problem with Leo G so why should you?

Many think the reason why you want Mr. Garvey out of the club is because he has exposed mismanagement of the club at the IBT/EC7 level. This thinking, along with the fact many members are getting tired of paying dues much of which goes to support your travel, you have done nothing but add fuel to the fire by kicking him out of the club.

Also, if it’s “about the Unit”, then why does most of the membership $$ go to you? The dues in the WDCU are $56.00, $1.00 for us and $55.00 for you! Even if we were like some units that charge 10, 15, or even 20 dollars, that’s $20.00 for them and $55.00 for you! I understand the cost of the office staff, the Blue Beret and such, but when you the IBT/EC7 gets over 100K (over 20% of the dues) to go travel around and promote a bunch of rallies and the club, that I don’t understand. That’s why we have the Blue Beret, remember?

Do us all a favor, if you’re going to lead, then lead us. If you going to take our money and give nothing in return, then shut-up, take the money and say “Thank You”. But don’t, take our money, not lead us and kill the geese that are giving you the Golden Egg!

This is “our” club too!


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Old 02-12-2010, 11:35 AM   #2
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Well said, Paul. Thanks for expressing your thoughts in this open forum.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:44 AM   #3
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:48 AM   #4
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Paul,

Now, YOU ARE ON THE LIST.

Good letter. I know mine went un-noticed... let's see where this goes.

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Thanks Paul! Expect a certified letter from some lawyers in Ohio shortly....
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that list thing is just amazing... it just is the darkest part of european history... I am so pissed at those people...

Paul you wrote a nice letter but a little bit too nice for their practice.

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I think your letter was spot-on, both in content and tone.

Will you post it on the Pleasantville site?

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Can I ask you to just solicit additional signatures to your letter?

If you chose to do this may I be the first one that appears under yours.

That way they will have a concise list to hand the Lawyers. I sure don't want to be responsible for bankrupting the club by forcing the Lawyers to read each letter to create a list. The $500.00 or so they get for producing each letter is enough
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Will you post it on the Pleasantville site?

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I think your letter was spot-on, both in content and tone.

Will you post it on the Pleasantville site?

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Old 02-12-2010, 05:05 PM   #12
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It's up to you

HowieE,

That's up to you. You are welcome to sign mine, or write your own. I plan to print off and send in anyone's letter that is posted here in a couple of weeks and send it to the IBT/EC7 at WBCCI HQ.

It just appears to me the IBT/EC7 has now moved into an era of sending C&D letters and kicking out people they feel are a problem.

Again, if the "Heart of the WBCCI is in the Units" as they all say, then let the Units deal with their members as they see fit!

If the IBT/EC7 can't stand the heat, they need to get out of the kitchen.

Time for them to put their big boy pants on and do the needed changes to make this club grow. Maybe if they had listened to what Leo and others have been saying for the past four years, we might have the 8,000-10,000 members we want. One things for sure, what they have been doing in the past "is not" and "will not" work. Make the changes BOYZ!!
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I actually think it's a good idea to put the club down. It's the only thing that give them their power. Without it they don't have any.

They have all the right, they can do whatever they wan't and all we have left is to stay gentle!

How long ago it started... Name, MOHO, Bob Thompson, Leo G, "Quality not Quantity"... it's been to long that they laugh at the membership because we stay gentle.

Paul's letter is well done, I agree, in content tone... like some other were sent before... for what change?
What's different?
They want to kick out every one that is at risk for them. Leo wanted to run for nominating committee in 2010... Result : OUT.

There is limits! They must laugh at all the noise that is made. They do not give a flying s...

So I think, and it's the saddest thing that could happen, the best way to change the club is to let this one die and start it over or start another one.

They already killed that club. It's already dying. It would have happen before if members didn't save it downturning the MOHO issue.

It's already too late. Sadly. Their goal is not the club it's their own personal comfort that the club give them.

And what I am confortable to write... I am to say. At my age, I am not that old, for those who knows me, I don't make compromise anymore on certain aspect of life.

In PEI - Region 1 - I had to come to the members I did recruit to present them my excuses about what was going on (Bob Thompson eviction) and all the bad mood it did create, when I sold the Club to be a nice place to have fun. I had to handle that...

I am done being gentle with those little brain.

To the other lets start a fire camp and talk about what we like : Airstream!


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Can I ask you to just solicit additional signatures to your letter?

If you chose to do this may I be the first one that appears under yours.

That way they will have a concise list to hand the Lawyers. I sure don't want to be responsible for bankrupting the club by forcing the Lawyers to read each letter to create a list. The $500.00 or so they get for producing each letter is enough
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:26 PM   #14
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Dufferin thank you for your response. I totally agree with you. I could not ask my friends to join WBCCI to be treated so casually and so thoughtlessly. I have said that to Leo for years through his membership drives and always he works at his own expense long hours and very diligently to improve WBCCI to only be rewarded with the big boot and no recognition for preserving the club's name, brand identity and membership guide and pulse of the current membership, when everyone else covered their mouths with their hands and shhhhished everyone else from speaking up.

It is members like Leo and yourself that are a glimmer of hope for the future. The tradition has devolved into hit men and sorry losers unable to let go their death grip upon the club and open the way for the younger generations because of their feelings of entitlement from their tenure of "volunteerism!"

Looking forward to sharing a campfire with you again. I want to say I think your comments are well said and that your post on WBCCI that was edited and basically deleted of all commentary, is indictative of a totally ludicrous and petty procedure and micro managing of the WBCCI to control every opinion given. Your post was edited because it was a political comment... I challenged what makes an opinion political before and also never received a response about the chairman's discerning opinion outweighing all other opinions, observations, and discussions.


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