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Old 02-04-2010, 09:39 PM   #141
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"My Tundra was built in Indiana".

And the profits went to Japan instead of Detroit.

This should smoke out Crawford Gene!!
Just caught up with this thread. I've been driving 120 mph with my Tundra until it ran out of gas in the middle of Utah. You should've seen me bouncing off buildings on those 120 mph turns in Grand Junction! Smashed a few 1980's Audis flat too.

My gas pedal was made in Canada. China and Canada start and end with the same letters. Suspicious?

I don't think Toyota has handled this or the Prius brake problem well. They are acting like GM did on its way down, a process than took decades. And the Ford cruise control switches needed multiple fixes too.

Our '99 and '00 Toyotas were bulletproof—never had a problem. Our '02's had a few problems. Our '06 a few minor ones. The '07 Tundra has had one switch replaced, otherwise has had no issues and is now at more than 38,000 miles, more than half towing.

Several years ago it was noticed Toyota was more interested in growth than rigorous reliability. They were building plants so fast they didn't have enough well trained QC people and slowly it was beginning to show. Even so they were still building reliable vehicles, rated very highly. Ironically Hyundai copied Toyota's QC program and has started to rate higher than Toyota.

It's easy to be angry at Toyota because I think they have done a really bad job with this problem. I read the post about them shipping the parts to their factories first and dealers second and that enrages me. I saw something in a newspaper story that seemed to confirm the post. The floor mat thing was idiotic. The 2 catches that hold the floor mat in place have been on every vehicle I've owned for a very long time. You'd have to disconnect them both, and that's not all that easy, and then push hard and long to get the mat moved onto the pedal. When they came out with that reason, I figured Toyota was either (1) full of it, or (2) there were idiots that took out the mats to clean them and when replacing them, just plopped them in right up against the pedal.

So, our Tundra has been an excellent truck. It's not been perfect—it's really, really hard to change the oil and the seats are uncomfortable for traveling day after day. There's been no attempt to improve gas mileage. But it's been very reliable, handles very well, stops very well, has enormous torque, and tows very well. The gas pedal is not sticking in any way.

It can be said that Toyota still makes the most reliable full size truck. Other trucks have reliability problems. Nonetheless, a run away vehicle is scary, and the PR that comes with the braking issues on the Prius is awful. I think Toyota has long been an arrogant company, but for a long time they could afford to because they made great products. But arrogance eventually bites because then you can't see problems coming and occurring.

I've got to remember tomorrow to call the dealer and see when the kits are arriving. I have not gotten a recall notice. Even after the kit is installed, I will wonder about whether it's really a computer problem.

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Old 02-04-2010, 09:50 PM   #142
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why not just get an old chevy pickup with saddle tanks? or has everyone forgot about that?

These are the same trucks that the news agency that did the story, NBC? admitted that they had rigged the test and had to retrack their story. They actually installed ignitors near the tank and frame.
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:53 PM   #143
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Gene is a retired lawyer, and certainly smart enough not to publicly defend a company he may have to claim against.

[edit: He was active on the forum at 10:25AM today, I assume in good health]
I haven't looked at new threads in many days since I've been remodeling the laundry room, having asthma attacks (new medication has arrived), trying to keep up with life. I'm not worried about a potential future claim against Toyota—if they fail me, they will be liable and it won't matter what I've posted. One thing I've learned in the past month—asthma can really creep up on you and get worse fairly quickly while I've been in denial. I can't blame this on Toyota. I see a pulmonologist on Monday and hope to get meds fine tuned. Maybe I'll take the Tundra there since I have to buy stuff for my next remodel—the kitchen. At 100 mph, I'll get to his office in half the time.

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Old 02-04-2010, 09:53 PM   #144
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why not just get an old chevy pickup with saddle tanks? or has everyone forgot about that?

These are the same trucks that the news agency that did the story, NBC? admitted that they had rigged the test and had to retrack their story. They actually installed ignitors near the tank and frame.
It was NBC.

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Old 02-07-2010, 09:25 AM   #145
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looks like Toyota was doing some Nascar testing all along. got 4 camrys with fast times at Daytona yesterday, restrictor plate racing sux, you gotta firewall the throttle all day. Not a problem with Toy.

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Drive your New Toyota back to the dealer and get a 100% refurbishment at any dealership.Its a bad software problem that Toyota can not fix.They will not admit it, but it affects all moving, fly by wire vehicles.Even Airplanes.Scarey isn't.
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Toyota is not only recalling throttles, but Prius for braking, and Camrys for power steering hoses. Now the Feds are looking at complaints about Corolla (Matrix also?) electric power steering for sudden uncommanded turns. It just keeps getting worse.

Honda hasn't had it easy either...

Honda Expands Airbag Recall to Accord, Civic, Odyssey, CR-V and Acura Models
"The company will replace the driver's side air bag inflator on the cars because they can deploy with too much pressure, causing the inflator casing to rupture and injure or kill the driver."

"Last month Honda recalled 646,000 Fit hatchbacks worldwide because of a glitch that could cause water to enter the power window mechanism, causing components to overheat."
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More trouble ahead

Tough times in Tokyo...;

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Huh? You mean Toyota and Honda should close all their US plants?
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Huh? You mean Toyota and Honda should close all their US plants?
The high value stuff, intellectual property development & engineering is overwhelmingly done in Japan. The consequence is that your gt-grandkids can be consigned to the factory floor (an honorable trade, to be sure) or have other venues open to them.

You get to choose.


I don't know for certain that's what firedog was getting at, but that's how I read it.
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Buy American products made in the USA .Thats correct RedShed.Keep the jobs in the USA.
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The high value stuff, intellectual property development & engineering is overwhelmingly done in Japan. The consequence is that your gt-grandkids can be consigned to the factory floor (an honorable trade, to be sure) or have other venues open to them.

You get to choose.
Not sure that any of what you say has to do with opportunities that my grandchildren may or may not have.

"High value stuff" is a result of a nation having the mindset to offer (and market the importance of) high quality education so that they produce the people that can become engineers and develop interesting goods and new, worthwhile intellectual property.

They will create the jobs, like our foreflushers did. We need more Henry Fords, more Walter Chryslers, more pioneers of industry, filled with new ideas and the brilliance and plain old stubborn stamina to carry them through.

Or at least that's what I see. Your mileage may vary.

ps: People buy imports because they want good quality cars, and despite the recent setbacks, Toyota, Honda, and a few others consistently deliver it. The American brands have only recently worked this into their heads, and so they too should survive.
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