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Old 07-27-2017, 03:28 AM   #43
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I do not know what is worse, the avoidable accident or the fool driving and videoing the incident with his hand held phone/camera.
I'm sure many people can hold an object in their right hand and still drive safely. Others can't. If I ran the show I would test drivers with distractions like they did when I learned to fly an airplane but then probably 20% of people wouldn't get licenses.
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:01 AM   #44
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I'm sure many people can hold an object in their right hand and still drive safely. Others can't.
No one ever drives as safely with one had on the wheel as they do with both hands on the wheel. It's just ergonomically impossible. They might be safe enough in most cases, but WTSHTF (when the sh— ahem, stuff— hits the fan) there's no substitute for having both hands on the wheel in the 10-and-2 positions.

"Haven't had an accident yet" is not necessarily the same as "driving safely."
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:14 AM   #45
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Just yesterday I was driving South from Knoxville on I-75 at maybe 62 mph. In my mirror was an Airstream in the LH lane moving up fast. He caught me and passed very fast. It was about a 25 FB pulled by a red Dodge P/U. The white protective plastic was still on the rock guards. That told me that it was probably a new delivery. Man, he was sure moving that AS.
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:28 AM   #46
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. . . there's no substitute for having both hands on the wheel in the 10-and-2 positions.
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Especially in the case of a tire blowout as may have happened here. One aspect of having both hands on the wheel like this, is that you can stabilize your body with the wheel if the vehicle lurches quickly to the right or left.

With only one hand on the wheel, and a casual body position, a sudden vehicle lurch can throw a driver off-center and off-balance. Recovering a proper driving posture and total control of the vehicle can be difficult.

Accidents like this happen so quickly, as I learned last fall when our tow vehicle was rear-ended and totaled. Fortunately I was sitting up straight with both hands on the wheel, and had a second or two to do what we have practiced many times -- sit up straight and put my head back against the head rest, then exhale at the moment of impact. Seemed strange to practice this over decades of driving, but it probably paid off with minimal neck and back damage from the crash.

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Another trick they don't teach you in normal driver's ed classes— though some commercial driving courses and hands-on defensive driving courses do— is to look where you want the vehicle to go during an emergency, not in the direction it is going at the time. The human body is optimized for moving in the direction your eyes are looking, and if you focus on your escape path, you're more likely to instinctively steer toward your escape path. I've had occasion to use that trick to turn an almost sure-thing accident into a near miss, as well as to recover from fishtailing on black ice.
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Old 07-27-2017, 07:08 AM   #48
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Now now - don't you dare say anything about the limits of an expedition........that thing has independent rear suspension - put a good hitch on it and it will tow aaaaaaaaanything........haha

Hope everyone involved is ok!
Note that the trailer pulled that independent suspended Expedition all over the road, and it remained upright. Everyone involved is okay.

No doubt, if it had a good hitch setup and perhaps a more stable trailer design (like an independent suspended Airstream, for example) it would not have happened in the first place.

There is always too much emphasis and money spent on tow vehicle and trailer and so very little on hitch setup, which will eliminate sway completely.
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Old 07-27-2017, 07:17 AM   #49
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. . . , as well as to recover from fishtailing on black ice.
Great tip, and I happened to have done it once by instinct as a young driver threading our way through a multi-vehicle dance on a slick Interstate. I guess it was my dad who had taught me to accelerate to gain control, and the studded snow tires did their job as we bolted through small openings between vehicles and popped out unscathed.

My passenger, who had been sleeping when it started, awoke ashen-faced but alive!

Your tip prompted the recollection -- just now -- of "seeing" the path of escape through the twirling cars, and focusing on that path through the few seconds it all took to resolve. Thanks for the memory jog!

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The other Tip to use if confronted by another vehicle that is out of control is to aim for where the vehicle is at that moment, by the time you get ther it will no longer be there. Sounds like you did that instinctively Peter.

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No doubt, if it had a good hitch setup and perhaps a more stable trailer design (like an independent suspended Airstream, for example) it would not have happened in the first place.
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Has anybody been able to ID the trailer or the hitch? The video is grainy enough that I can't make out much of the markings on the trailer.

Whatever the hitch setup was, I'm still amazed at the amount of abuse it took without separating from the TV. A lot of things went wrong here. The hitch separating from the TV was not one of them. The safety chains did not come into play this time.

Like a lot of others have mentioned - it's a bit amazing that the guy doing the video stayed out of the wreck. Slowing down / maneuvering / driving / filming all at once is a bit of an overload. If a chunk of debris had bounced his way ....yikes....

Indeed in something like this there is a fine line between slowing down to quickly and not fast enough. There are a lot of examples where the following car has braked very hard and then got rear ended. It's a bit more common at night, but it can happen in broad daylight.

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The other Tip to use if confronted by another vehicle that is out of control is to aim for where the vehicle is at that moment, by the time you get ther it will no longer be there.
So you're saying, if someone runs a red light or stop sign in front of you crossing your lane of traffic, steer to pass behind him rather than trying to stop in a straight line and T-bone him. That of course presumes that the other vehicle will keep moving at the same speed in the same direction. Not always a foregone conclusion, but as split-second decisions go, that's not bad at all.
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No one ever drives as safely with one had on the wheel as they do with both hands on the wheel. It's just ergonomically impossible. They might be safe enough in most cases, but WTSHTF (when the sh— ahem, stuff— hits the fan) there's no substitute for having both hands on the wheel in the 10-and-2 positions.

"Haven't had an accident yet" is not necessarily the same as "driving safely."
Funny thing is.....now days they recommend the 4 and 8 o'clock position as your arms and hands don't get hurt with an airbag deployment.

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Old 07-27-2017, 04:27 PM   #54
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Funny thing is.....now days they recommend the 4 and 8 o'clock position as your arms and hands don't get hurt with an airbag deployment.
That's a defeatist attitude that says, "I'm gonna get in a wreck and my airbag IS going to deploy." Defensive driving is all about accident avoidance, not accident survival.

They don't tell you that in an accident your airbags are going to injure you no matter what, by giving you nasty chemical burns on your face. They don't tell you that if your seat belt saves your life, it will break your collarbone, crack some ribs, and bruise both hips while doing it. But that's true, too. Ask any paramedic that's ever cut someone out of a car. Compared to that, having my arms injured by the airbag is just more of the same, and not worthy of surrendering an ounce of control to avoid.
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That's a defeatist attitude that says, "I'm gonna get in a wreck and my airbag IS going to deploy." Defensive driving is all about accident avoidance, not accident survival.

They don't tell you that in an accident your airbags are going to injure you no matter what, by giving you nasty chemical burns on your face. They don't tell you that if your seat belt saves your life, it will break your collarbone, crack some ribs, and bruise both hips while doing it. But that's true, too. Ask any paramedic that's ever cut someone out of a car. Compared to that, having my arms injured by the airbag is just more of the same, and not worthy of surrendering an ounce of control to avoid.
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That all *assumes* you have airbags that function properly. There are a *lot* of cars and trucks on the road that have (at least potentially) airbags that include a "shrapnel" feature. It will be a long time before all of those suspect devices get replaced ....

All that said, I'd rather have seat belts and airbags than not have them. Voice command everything that triggers for no reason at all and can not be disabled .... that I can do without

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There are a *lot* of cars and trucks on the road that have (at least potentially) airbags that include a "shrapnel" feature. It will be a long time before all of those suspect devices get replaced ....
I just got the recall notice on my Interstate earlier this week, and I need to schedule a day trip to Mercedes-Benz of Baton Rouge in the near future to get that taken care of.

Oddly enough, I still haven't gotten the recall notice on my Honda Fit…
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