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10-28-2007, 04:44 PM
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#161
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1964 17' Bambi II
Posts: 4,282
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
Birdy had a busy "ebay week"...she even bought something to share with Maxwell!
Can't wait to start putting things back together!
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Great finds on the lights. I was watching those auctions too but the bidding went a little bit high for my budget.
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10-28-2007, 05:33 PM
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#162
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We can tow it!
1996 28' Excella
Where the water tastes like wine
, Michigan
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,625
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Great work Shari!
Wow that clock is the cat's pajamas!
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10-28-2007, 07:39 PM
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#163
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yukionna
Shari -- I saw on an earlier post in this thread that you are replacing the floor without removing the shell. How will you do that? I thought the ribs were attached to the top of the floor.
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Hmmm...not quite sure how to explain, but I'll try.
The channel that runs around the perimeter does sit on the floor. The ribs sit inside the channel. We removed the bolts holding the channel to the floor and cut out sections of wood. You can see the temporary wood pieces in the first picture in post #158. For each section we removed, we placed a temporay piece of wood on the frame to hold up the chanel...that along with the skins being attached to the ribs is enough to keep everything stable. We will replace 3-4' x width of the trailer sections of the floor starting at the curved sections and working towards the center front to back removing the temporary pieces. At any one time, there is only a 4' section unsupported, which is fine for the trailer just sitting there.
Make sense? Hope so...
Shari
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10-28-2007, 07:42 PM
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#164
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tin sista
Wow that clock is the cat's pajamas!
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It is very cool...I love it too! They still make & sell these new, but there is nothing like the patina of the older ones...
Shari
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02-29-2008, 05:24 PM
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#165
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Wow! It's hard to imagine it's been 4 months since I updated here. Oh well, with the holidays and being c-c-c-cold most of the time, we weren't able to get as much done as we hoped to over the winter. We have been able to make progress on the woodwork and totally re-built the door and rescreened it. Also learned how to buck rivets and we amazingly put the door back together without any pieces left over! The weather stripping is on order and expected next week along with the re-chromed handles & trim. We'll then be weather tight and able to put things back together!
Things are finally thawing out...actually quite nicely. We had warm enough weather last weekend to warm up the trailer with heaters and paint the frame with two coats of POR-15. This weekend it's supposed to be a flukey 70 on Saturday (but snow on Sunday ) so saturday will be a good time to lay on the ground under the trailer working on the grey tank installation. Feels good to be on the "putting it back together" side of the project. Although, one more demo project is planned...we will be replacing the entire streetside panel 4'x12' (both inside & out) but not until the floor is back in.
I've been taking pictures...will post some updates over the weekend. Now that we are back at it, I hope to maintain webpage better...stay tuned!
Shari
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03-16-2008, 07:07 PM
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#166
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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We've been out working on Birdie today...but it started to snow! So, time to post some pics ~
Back in October, we had a slab poured back by the garage so we could park both trailers at home. We have two sewer dumps (one front & one back), 30 amp electric and water. Sorry, no room for courtesy parking...just us! Shortly after bringing Maxwell home...we winterized and it started snowing. But that didn't keep us from welding in a new back frame member...it was 12-degrees!
Shari
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03-16-2008, 07:21 PM
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#167
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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We had hoped to get the frame welded sooner, so we could paint it before winter hit...thus be able to get the floor in and work throughout the winter. Didn't happen. So we had to wait for a day on a weekend to hit 50+ degrees so we could paint the frame. Finally, the end of February - even though there was snow still on the ground, we had a weekend of nice weather where we could but a propane heater inside the trailer and bring the tempurature up high enough to paint...which we did. Two coats of POR-15...did I mention we are doing a shell on floor replacement? Once the floor is in place and the shell re-attached, we will be dropping the belly pan to paint the underside of the frame.
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03-16-2008, 07:28 PM
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#168
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1970 23' Safari
1956 26' Cruiser Overlander
Lambertville
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,174
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Shari,
It is a great day when you get to work on vintage units. Glad your back posting again, we will be following your thread.
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TAC# MI-1
Operation "Save Rudy" Strike Team (charter member)
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03-16-2008, 10:22 PM
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#169
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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In the meantime, we have totally dismantled the door (found more resident yellow jacket nests) to replace the screen and fix the lock. We picked up several broken locks through ebay and ended up with enough pieces to have a working set and a back-up set and a few spare pieces. They are all out at the chrome shop...should get them back this week.
Shari
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03-16-2008, 10:34 PM
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#170
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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We re-screened the door with galvanized screen, fit the new insulation and then put our newly learned rivet bucking skills to the test. The door went back together rather easilt...no extra parts! Clecos are an amazing tool...nothing would substitute! The copper ones are smaller and those are where the pulled rivets go...the black are for the bucked rivets.
Oh yeah, once we got done putting everything back togehter - we polished the inner door a "first pass"...it'll be the only thing polished for quite some time ~ now we're just waiting on the hardware to come back ~ then we can seal her up!
Shari
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03-16-2008, 10:54 PM
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#171
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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This weekend, we finally got two sheets of the floor in! We used 3/4" marine grade A/B plywood. First we cut sheets (measure twice - cut once...especially @ $75 per sheet) then painted the edges with oil-based paint. The front and back curves are each one piece - no seams. It was no easy task, but do-able...each were eased (sloooowly) into place with a hammer. The shell & belly are loose from the frame so the skin is pretty flexible - enough that they could be inched in a little at a time. We used elevator bolts to attach the plywood to the frame where we could access it and get to the back side and self-drilling floor repair screws where we couldn't. Then hammered over the elevator bolts just like the originals were.
Shari
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03-16-2008, 10:58 PM
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#172
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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I didn't take any pictures with all the bolts in place...I will post them later.
We also got the three remaining floor pieces cut and painted ready to be installed next weekend...or maybe after work this week...but we are supposed to get 6-10" of snow tonite & tomorrow, so we'll see ~
Enough for now...glad things are finally moving along again!
Shari
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03-16-2008, 11:05 PM
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#173
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Vintage Alum. Enthusiast
1959 24' Tradewind
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: I currently do not own a 2nd Airstream
Posts: 4,360
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Congratulations to the both of you. Getting that much of the floor in is a milestone and to be doing it in the chilly temps you guys must be having makes it all that much more rewarding. One question - what's holding the shell to the frame? You guys must be having a few winter winds up that way.
Brad
FF
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03-16-2008, 11:17 PM
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#174
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfshr
Congratulations to the both of you. Getting that much of the floor in is a milestone and to be doing it in the chilly temps you guys must be having makes it all that much more rewarding.
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It does...and now with Daylight Savings Time and warmer weather on the way (not tonite!) we will be able to work in the after work soon!
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfshr
One question - what's holding the shell to the frame?
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Nothing really...the belly pan, c-channel and body are all attached. The belly is attached to the underside of the frame and the c-channel/shell is held up with 3/4" blocks of wood and c-clamps at each outrigger and the front & back of the frame. The ribs come down and rest on the wood blocks which are kinda wedged in there. We took them out a couple at a time to paint. Now that the front and back are in, the blocks have been removed.
Here's an older picture that shows the wood & clamps in place. It's been like that thoughout the winter...no problems, but it certainly couldn't be moved!
Shari
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03-17-2008, 05:32 AM
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#175
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Rivet Master
Massachusetts
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: 1964 17' Bambi II
Posts: 4,282
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
...Once the floor is in place and the shell re-attached, we will be dropping the belly pan to paint the underside of the frame.
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Looking good! How do you keep all the insulation from dropping out of the floor when you drop the belly pan?
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03-17-2008, 07:06 AM
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#176
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by yukionna
How do you keep all the insulation from dropping out of the floor when you drop the belly pan?
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Right now it's placed there temporarily with tape holding it up...when we drop the belly we will attach it to the plywood from underneath.
Shari
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03-17-2008, 07:15 AM
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#177
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418
2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
Posts: 4,804
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
This weekend, we finally got two sheets of the floor in! We used 3/4" marine grade A/B plywood. First we cut sheets (measure twice - cut once...especially @ $75 per sheet) then painted the edges with oil-based paint. The front and back curves are each one piece - no seams. It was no easy task, but do-able...each were eased (sloooowly) into place with a hammer. The shell & belly are loose from the frame so the skin is pretty flexible - enough that they could be inched in a little at a time. We used elevator bolts to attach the plywood to the frame where we could access it and get to the back side and self-drilling floor repair screws where we couldn't. Then hammered over the elevator bolts just like the originals were.
Shari
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Shari,
I was able to slide whole floor pieces into place last week, while replacing the flor on a client project. The shell is flexible enough to over-extend enough to where the sheet slides in towards teh street side, then past ( slight stretch of the shell outwards) and then back under the curbside c-channel. That way the sheets retain their integrity and strength. No center seams necessary.
Congrats on the great progress.
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03-17-2008, 08:04 AM
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#178
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Rivet Master
1971 21' Globetrotter
Currently Looking...
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Arvada
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
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Thats the same same way that I did it too.
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03-17-2008, 08:19 AM
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#179
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,707
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uwe
I was able to slide whole floor pieces into place last week, while replacing the floor on a client project.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aerowood
Thats the same same way that I did it too.
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Nice to hear we are in good company! We didn't want seams down the middle and for our own reasons, chose not to do it shell off. So far it's working out fine...
Shari
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03-17-2008, 08:29 AM
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#180
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Flying Cloud
Durango
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: 1975 25' Tradewind
Posts: 3,491
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I did the seam down the middle - you learn things after you do it - if I did it all over again, I would do it as you have done and I would have used 3/4" plywood.....
No need to take the shell completely off - I did mine with just a few rivets holding in the front - scary, but it worked well.
Ken
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