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03-17-2008, 08:40 AM
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#181
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2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
Posts: 4,804
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Having done both ways, and given my circumstances, I definitely prefer the shell off method. Especially if the frame needs to be worked on. I found that a high level of quality work is easier with the frame accessible from all sides. I found it easier to level a sagging frame, also. Plus, I can turn the frame upside down and weld the bottom seams without all the meteorites flying in my face.
I was still able to do a very good job on the frame, with all welds solid and the paint nicely covered, but it was easier with the shell out of the way.
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03-17-2008, 08:51 AM
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#182
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Our frame was in excellent shape except for the back crossmember that we replaced - essentially NO rust (one of the benefits of a Colorado trailer!). The portion that needed to be replaced was accessible on all sides by dropping the belly in the back portion.
We don't have the space to store the shell & frame separately > no room. I know it's taken a bit more time & creativity to work it out this way, but for us- it was the right decision. You are very fortunate to have the facilities to do so ~ a lot of decisions are made by the circumstances at hand.
Shari
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03-17-2008, 09:03 AM
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#183
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418
2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
Posts: 4,804
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
Our frame was in excellent shape except for the back crossmember that we replaced - essentially NO rust (one of the benefits of a Colorado trailer!). The portion that needed to be replaced was accessible on all sides by dropping the belly in the back portion.
We don't have the space to store the shell & frame separately > no room. I know it's taken a bit more time & creativity to work it out this way, but for us- it was the right decision. You are very fortunate to have the facilities to do so ~ a lot of decisions are made by the circumstances at hand.
Shari
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Yes, I know about the room issue. I suspend the shell from the shop ceiling, and then store the frame underneath it at night.
At the end, it doesn't matter all that much, as long as the flooring doesn't need to be cut in half to fit.
Some trailers have the belly pan wrapped over in the floor channel. Those trailers are very difficult to do with the shell on. The trailers that have the belly sides simply slipped in between teh outer skin and the c-channel are much easier to deal with. My 63 Overlander was wrapped - all the way around.
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03-17-2008, 09:08 AM
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#184
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Our '56 belly does not wrap over the top of the c-channel - I think that's a 60's thing - it's just sandwiched between the skin & c-channel. We only intend to have seams at the panel joints - 5 panels = 4 seams (all over crossmembers of the frame). The curves were the biggest concern, now that they are done the rest will be easy ~ the sides are plenty flexible. I agree, the fewer seams the more structural integrity is maintained ~
Shari
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03-17-2008, 10:32 AM
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#185
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Rivet Master
1971 21' Globetrotter
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Arvada
, Colorado
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I just left the very front and the aft portion of the shell attached and let the sides float. The sides flexed out enough to install the middle sheets complete. I too wish I had enough room to do a shell off, and indoors would be a super plus.
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03-17-2008, 11:02 AM
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#186
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3 Rivet Member
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On the road
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 138
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uwe
Having done both ways, and given my circumstances, I definitely prefer the shell off method. Especially if the frame needs to be worked on. I found that a high level of quality work is easier with the frame accessible from all sides. I found it easier to level a sagging frame, also. Plus, I can turn the frame upside down and weld the bottom seams without all the meteorites flying in my face.
I was still able to do a very good job on the frame, with all welds solid and the paint nicely covered, but it was easier with the shell out of the way.
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What kind of welding technique and welding equipment is recommended for frame repairs?
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03-17-2008, 12:33 PM
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#187
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Flying Cloud
Durango
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: 1975 25' Tradewind
Posts: 3,491
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Yea - in my case the frame was in excellant shape too...
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03-17-2008, 12:37 PM
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#188
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rebfa
What kind of welding technique and welding equipment is recommended for frame repairs?
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For us...a generous friend that knew what they were doing!
Shari
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03-17-2008, 12:49 PM
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#189
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418
2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
Posts: 4,804
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rebfa
What kind of welding technique and welding equipment is recommended for frame repairs?
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I use a mig welder, a Millermatic 35. It has a good enough duty cycle to weld just about continously. Smaller welders have very short duty cycles, like a few seconds on, and then they need to be off for a minute or so. I don't know the exact durations. So, it's best to rent a decent welder, or call in a welding service, or tow the trailer to a welding shop for extensive modifications.
Most frames I have worked on were pretty decent. Little welding was required to actually do repairs. Most of the welding work I have done became necessary because of tank or axle conversions.
Mig welding is relatively easy to learn, and there isn't a special technique that I am aware of, other than "pushing the puddle". That measn the you kind of push the hot metal puddle left to right slightly while moving the welding tip forward. This makes a weld that looks like you're staggering dimes on top of each other.
Our welder is a 220V model, but there are welders available for 120V also. Those are fine for occasional use, and if time is not an issue. I am not certain of the strength of such a weld, but it should be ok, many home owners and farmers use those.
For welding just frame sections, you can use an inexpensive stick welder. That is what was used to build your frame in the first place, most likely. With all welding equipment, the welding current needs to be adjusted, so that you don't immediately burn through the thin metal of an Airstream frame.
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03-21-2008, 12:31 PM
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#190
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Little things that make me smile!
WoooHoo! We got the chrome handles and bezels back from the plater today...they look awesome!!!
Enlarged photos: ' Before' & ' After'
Also, 'after' shown below...'before' in post #171
Shari
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03-21-2008, 12:54 PM
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#191
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud
, Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,280
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You go girl! Great progress in a week-plus Shari. You'd have to slow down to give Birdy any chance of missing International.
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03-21-2008, 12:57 PM
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#192
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CanoeStream
You'd have to slow down to give Birdy any chance of missing International.
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Oh she's going...not sure what shape she'll be in, but she's going - even if it's as a hard tent! Otherwise it'll be the two of us PLUS my parents in the GlobeTrotter for 10 days!!!!
Not a pretty picture...it's rather scary!
Shari
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03-21-2008, 02:32 PM
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#193
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Rivet Master
1951 21' Flying Cloud
1960 24' Tradewind
West Coast
, BC
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,790
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Good incentive to getting the '56 finished, inviting the parents along. We all find our little motivators unintentionally sometimes, but it just seems to happen. For us it was the fact that I'd sold the Boler we were using and had already booked our trips for the following summer with friends and they'd of been very disappointed if we backed out. So we just went at it nights and weekends pretty steady for 5 months and then finished it up the following winter.
You guys are doing an outstanding job on your trailer. I'm hoping our two buddies who have both acquired early Flying Clouds are paying attention to what you guys are doing (You hear that Greg and Lee?) so they get rolling on theirs this summer/fall, but aren't worried about using them in progress.
Happy Easter.
Barry
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03-24-2008, 02:29 PM
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#194
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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From the "you learn something new everyday" file...
I just learned what Safari means in Swahili and Arabic!
From Wikipedia: "Entering the English language in the late 19th century, the word safari means "journey" in Swahili. Originally from the Arabic سفر (safara) meaning travel [1] The verb for "to travel" in Swahili is "safiri", the noun for the journey is "safari"."
Pretty cool! Very appropriate I would say...
Shari
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03-24-2008, 03:19 PM
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#195
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Rivet Master
1954 25' Cruiser
Kyle
, The Republic of Texas
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 612
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InsideOut said "I am proud to announce we have adopted a 1956 Safari double w/bunk today!!!! She weighs in at a whooping 2730 lbs and is 22' long. The interior is "all there" and the outside, while never polished is very straight and has no major damage - just some black rub-marks. We adopted her from the grand-daughter of the original owner. We have named her "Lily Bird" after grandma but she will go by "Birdie". She does need some TLC...but I'm ready to take on another project ~ and as Fred said, she's "...just waiting to be released from the white paint jail". We'll do our best to bring her back to her original glory"
This is PRECISELY (I know - sp?) why I added the 2nd shed are on my horse barn - I hope that someday this trailer (or her sister) will find it's way to a new and loving (if poor) home with me. Bee-uti-ful find.
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03-24-2008, 04:11 PM
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#196
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Rivet Master
1963 26' Overlander
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,640
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whitsend@mom
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I am a lover / Of the other / Side of the hill.
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A Chris Ledoux fan? Or just a fan of cowboys driving Cadillacs?
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03-24-2008, 07:58 PM
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#197
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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We got home from work tonight and had time to put in another sheet of the floor!!!! It went in soooo easy...I hope that it's a sign of things to come!
Shari
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03-24-2008, 08:03 PM
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#198
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
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Here are the pictures of the elevator bolts & the self-drilling repair screws installed.
Shari
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03-24-2008, 08:05 PM
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#199
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Rivet Master
1971 21' Globetrotter
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
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Arvada
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,530
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Is that stud finder pointing to Mr. InsideOut
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03-24-2008, 08:07 PM
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#200
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Safari
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 12,702
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Uhhhh... yeah, that's the ticket!
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