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SCOTTinNJ · 07-22-2015, 05:21 PM

Gotta watch the XL's. They are really stripped down. That one doesn't come with the factory brake controller. Not that an aftermarket one can't be added.

Danattherock · 07-22-2015, 05:43 PM

For sure. But it's nearly half the price of a loaded F-250 Platinum. Crazy. You could literally buy two XL's with 4x4 and 6.2 L gas for what one loaded Platinum cost.

Regarding options and the XL. Ordering one is only way to get what I would want. The only two things I really care about that don't come on it is leather seats and moonroof. Rear A/C and sliding rear window would be nice. I. Just going to replace back window when I get the truck. Need the window so dog can pop his head in cab from window on the ARE Z cap.

I saw a nicely equipped F-350 XL last week at a large volume dealer. Amazing the difference it made. It was a very nice truck. The power package adds power windows, door, maybe remote start and cruise. Not sure. But with all that, trailer brake controls and up fitter switches, dash knob for 4x4, it adds up. Basically was identical, or a little nicer than my current ride, a 2005 Tahoe LT. It just doesn't have all the computer and LCD screens and such. Nothing that matters mechanically is any different.

Most folks want the fluff. Nothing wrong with that. I just see very expensive repairs. But if trading every few years, who cares. I'm looking for a truck to keep a long time. Got more valuable things (to me) to spend my money on than cars. Been there, bought four new cars, got nothing to show for it. It's like a pit. Buying a boat adage, hole you put money in, to me.

Also, the door trim and such is pretty nice when the power windows were added. And had power side mirror controls. I'm trying to decide between snow plow prep and heavy duty front suspension. Need one or the other for tire clearance. The website doesn't exactly hand feed ya.

Dan

I just put a search in Autotrader for 2015 F-250 4x4 crew cabs gassers and an entire page of brand new trucks appeared for $30,000. The lowest was $30,021. Can't believe they didn't have the foresight to knock $22 off so they could list it for...

$29,999

Rookies..

SCOTTinNJ · 07-22-2015, 06:50 PM

Dan, these tech specs may help you.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas...SB_Updates.pdf

Moflash · 07-22-2015, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KJRitchie

A 2012 F250 6.7L Crewcab Lariat is on a local Ford dealer, has 123k miles. Price $39,900, sticker MSRP is $60k. Truck has a tonneau cover of some sort. Purchased Dec 2011 locally. Guessing payload is around 1800 to 1900lbs No accident reports showing on the Autocheck. Has a Heavy Duty Service Suspension package. Has Lariat Ultimate package which includes moonroof but has for me the all important rear view camera.

Is it worth checking out? In the next couple of years we will be doing extensive traveling. Since the truck is mainly used for towing and short trips to the recycling center for yard debris not much mileage would be added on to it until we start traveling.

The same dealer is advertising new XLTs with 6.7L in the mid $40s but none have rear cameras.

Kelvin

Way to much for a 123k mi truck.When I traded my loaded 2012 f350 Supercrew 6.7 diesel Lariat with 39k mi in Oct of last year the Ford dealer put $37k wholesale in my truck when I traded for my 2015.
Depreciation over 3 years was less than $5k per year.Cheap driving for this tv.

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Danattherock · 07-22-2015, 09:03 PM

Scott,

Thanks man. That's awesome!!

Tons of fun, literally

Dans

SCOTTinNJ · 07-22-2015, 09:12 PM

Glad I could help. I've been pouring through those the last few days myself...

KJRitchie · 07-22-2015, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danattherock

Here is an example..

2015 Ford F-250 XL 4x4 with 6.7 diesel. Silver color. $37k advertised price.

Cars for Sale: 2015 Ford F250 XL in Chantilly, VA 20151: Truck Details - 376226261 - Autotrader

Dan

First, I can't stand the black grill of XLs. Checked the specs on that truck and it doesn't even have AC. The feature list shows AC Delete. Only has 3.31 rear end.

Found a new 2015 XLT Crewcab with rear view camera advertised for $46k. Could use that example to negotiate down the 2014. I like the 2014 a little better because it has a center console. It don't like the flip down seat of the XLTs.

Kelvin

Danattherock · 07-22-2015, 11:24 PM

It was just a representative example.

I just built a silver 2016 F-250 XL 4x4 w/6.2 on Ford's site that had anything I could want. Well, except leather. Can get moonroof anywhere. Can put rear window with slider in for $500. Had everything else. Power win/doors of course.

SYNC with much larger upgraded and modern information screen in front of driver. Voice activated functions. Remote start. Upfitters. Trailer brake. Cab marker lights. Fuel and transfer case skid plates, spray in liner, Etc. Same upgraded door panels as the XLT and Lariat. No comparing to the white work truck.

msrp got to $44.4k including dest fees with every option I wanted. So mid/high 30's guessing. If so, this project will come in right at $50k. Will be a bad mamma jamma too.

Wheels/tires $3k. Topper from ARE $2k. Ford chrome $1000k. Rigid 20" LED between tow hooks, fog light, and flush rear bumper fogs, $2k. Back window and moonroof $2k. Fenders and lower paint $1500.

Has electronic locking diff. 4.30 gears on gasser. Electric 4x4 shift. Alarm. Upgraded stereo. Steering wheel cruise and radio control. Bluetooth. Auto 911. Heavy duty front spring. Heavy duty alternator. Power and heated folding tow mirrors. Etc. Like I said,you will never see this on a lot.

Front chrome grill insert and chrome running boards parts and labor was $1000. I like the all chrome front.

Gas or diesel is the question.

Dan
NC

DHart · 07-23-2015, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ

I'm looking to move from my F-150 to a 3/4 or 1 ton for my 2014 30' FC (8,800# GVWR) as the F-150 is nearly maxed out.

Among the various 3/4 and 1 ton trucks on the market, you should look them all over carefully. The 1/2 tons can certainly pull the weight, but when it comes to cargo capacity, you probably know that the 1/2 tons are really thin on capacity. If you add a good quality metal bed cover (Retrax, for example), a small generator, bikes, some tools, camp chairs/recliners, camp table, people, dog (s), and other desired goodies... the cargo capacity can easily exceed that of a 1/2 ton.

I think trucks from Ford, Chevy, GMC, and Dodge would all serve quite well, overall. They're all good quality trucks. But there are various differences that may sway you here or there.

My last two trucks were an F150 and an F250. I'm ok with Fords trucks. But these days I really prefer GM full-size trucks and SUVs. (Had a 2012 Avalanche LTZ - fantastic vehicle, also a couple of Yukon Denalis over the years.)

You might want to have a look at and test drive the new Chevy Silverados and the GMC Sierra Denali and Denali HD. We couldn't resist the Sierra Denali HD with Duramax and Allison as a tow vehicle for our just-arrived 2016 30' Serenity. It offers a great (and complete) set of features very well-suited to pull the ample-sized 30' Airstream. And the luxury amenities are sweet. Cargo capacity is plenty ample for our particular "kit of stuff". These are somewhat pricey, but if you don't mind spending the money, I doubt you would be the least bit disappointed.

SCOTTinNJ · 07-23-2015, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KJRitchie

I like the 2014 a little better because it has a center console. It don't like the flip down seat of the XLTs.

Kelvin

Agree 10000%. I've ruled out every truck with the center seat.

KJRitchie · 07-23-2015, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Danattherock

I just built a silver 2016 F-250 XL 4x4 w/6.2 on Ford's site that had anything I could want.

Dan
NC

I think you or someone stated had test driven an F250 6.2L and felt it was anemic. If I pursue and F250 then it will be diesel, XLTs will have a little more payload than Lariats but will still be slightly under 2000lbs.

There seems to be more F250s on the lot than GM Duramax in my area. Being a more agricultural area I don't understand why the GM selection isn't better here. I would consider a Duramax since I believe it has a larger fuel tank in the crewcab, 6 1/2' bed.

I'm also going to hold out to get my desired features. After all when spending this amount of money I want to get it right. I'd prefer silver than the predominant white and black examples but I have my preferred colors prioritized. My Tundra is white and I have a black Prius. I don't want another black vehicle and white trucks look too "commercial".

Kelvin

ghaynes755 · 07-23-2015, 08:27 AM

Kelvin no GMC's? Can't keep them in stock. Selling like hot cakes with syrup. No one wants to buy a Ford

KJRitchie · 07-23-2015, 08:52 AM

Local GM dealer is advertising a 2015 Ruby Red Silverado Crewcab 6.5' bed 2500HD diesel LT but it has a rear view camera for $50k down from MSRP of $57K. Nice thing about the GM is it has a 35 gallon tank which is a big plus compared to similar F250. I wonder what the payload shows? The center dash controls aren't esthetically pleasing but the feature list of this LT seems to be like a Lariat. It has a fold down center console which appears to be a better design than F250.

I'd feel much more financially comfortable finding a clean used model in the mid $30k range.

Kelvin

SCOTTinNJ · 07-23-2015, 09:24 AM

Found a 6.2 gasser with a build date of March 2014. So it's been on the lot a LONG time. But the base price of these trucks has gone up over $2000 in that time.

Should I stay away? I will at least request a new battery. Just wondering about the fuel system...

KJRitchie · 07-23-2015, 10:43 AM

I'm sure the fuel system would be OK. They've probably moved the vehicle around the dealer lot. Have you taken a test drive?

Here is a favorable report from a forum member with his 2011 6.2L F250 2x4
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ift-69608.html

Kelvin

SCOTTinNJ · 07-23-2015, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KJRitchie

I'm sure the fuel system would be OK. They've probably moved the vehicle around the dealer lot. Have you taken a test drive?

Here is a favorable report from a forum member with his 2011 6.2L F250 2x4
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ift-69608.html

Kelvin

No test drive yet. All negotiations have been over the phone.

And yes, great report. That's mirrors what I love about my F-150, the transmission is spot on. Ford did a great job there.

pappy19 · 07-23-2015, 11:48 AM

Anyone that says the 6.2 gas engine isn't capable of towing any As is nuts. Especially when you consider the last 7.3 Ford made had a 250 hp engine and the new 6.2 has 365 hp and will blow the doors off of the earlier diesel engines of any make. The 6.2 will do almost everything any of the diesels will do without the added expenses for initial cost and maintenance. Plus the wife won't get that diesel perfume on her hands when she fills it up.

Danattherock · 07-23-2015, 12:49 PM

Agreed. It has 385 HP!!!

Wasn't too long ago these campers were hauled all over by 180-220 HP vehicles.

I found this forum last month.

All I wanted to do was buy a 2016 Suburban 4x4 (we are SUV folks, last three cars have been Tahoes and an Escalde). Most here said SUV no good for our intended use, mainly in Smoky Mountains of NC and Tenn. So now I'm up at 2 am building F-350s on Fords site.

Keep waiting on the new travel release from Good Sam that says in order to have a safe tow vehicle, all you have to do is ensure the length of tow vehicle is longer than the camper.

It's nutz what online forums do. I was a perfectly rationale person when I found you guys.

Dan

KJRitchie · 07-23-2015, 01:32 PM

The 6.2L has similar performance ratings as my Tundra 5.7L but again the F250 is 1500lbs heavier curb weight. My Classic 25fb is as heavy as most conventional 32-34' trailers.

My stance is if you can wait, see what Ford comes out in 2017 model year for a gas engine. If you prefer diesel than probably a safe bet to purchase a F250 or GM 2500HD Duramax now. This is such a big purchase it scares me to think I would make a wrong purchase.

Having said all that I haven't test drove any F250 or GM 2500HD gas or diesel. Finding the time to take a whole Saturday to do this is difficult at this time in our lives.

Kelvin

SCOTTinNJ · 07-23-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KJRitchie

My stance is if you can wait, see what Ford comes out in 2017 model year for a gas engine.

Having said all that I haven't test drove any F250 or GM 2500HD gas or diesel. Finding the time to take a whole Saturday to do this is difficult at this time in our lives.

Kelvin

I probably could wait, but I wouldn't buy a new engine in 2017 so realistically I'd be looking at 2018 or later. The 6.2 is old proven tech, which I like. I don't need the latest and "greatest."

As for Saturday's, I hear you. That said the dealer is holding "my" new truck so we can finalize the deal this Saturday. They just need to see my trade. I'm confident we will make a deal.