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07-23-2015, 06:39 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Broadway
, North Carolina
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 838
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
the new 6.2 has 365 hp and will blow the doors off of the earlier diesel engines of any make. The 6.2 will do almost everything any of the diesels will do without the added expenses for initial cost and maintenance.
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That's my experience with the 6.2L. No diesel needed anymore for what I tow. The power is broad and flat. The engine/tranny control software is optimized for towing, keeps the torque where it needs to be, and uses engine braking optimally.
Pulling the Airstream, I cross the Blue Ridge uphill while on cruise control and use the brakes minimally downhill.
My cargo trailer when max'd at 10,000 lbs will put a strain on it, but my old diesel grunted a bit too..
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2000 F150 4.2L (retired), 2011 F250 6.2L, 2010 ML550, 2000 Excursion 7.3L
Broadway, NC
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07-23-2015, 07:56 PM
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#62
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Rivet Master
2007 28' International CCD
Springfield
, Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,423
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2014 30' FC - Go with 2015 F250 or F350?
The diesel 6.7 is basically free if u trade every 3-4 years.The diesel pre owned is in high demand and resale is high.But you have to be able to afford the initial up front cost.Maintainence cost is not a issue the 6.2 gas will be about the same.
Torque is more important than horsepower when it comes to towing and the 6.7 has 440hp 860 ft lbs torque all produced at low rpm on a flat curve.The engine braking is fantastic for mountain downhilling and is incorporated into the cruise control when it is activated.
A lot of people keep referencing their old diesels.Well they are were not in the same ballpark as these new 6.7's.
6.2 is a good engine but not even close to the 6.7 diesel when towing.Sorry
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07-24-2015, 03:59 PM
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#63
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1 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Somewhere
, Georgia
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 19
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According to the door sticker, cargo capacity for my F250 is 2840 lbs.
Mine is a 2013 crew cab, 4X4, lariat, 6.2 gas with 6.5' bed. GVWR is 10000 lbs.
The ONLY differences between the F250 and F350 are: F350 has different rear springs, spring block on rear axle and front springs may be different, depending on options chosen.
The 6.2 gas is proving to be a reliable trouble free motor. Also, 87 octane is the only fuel recommended. No need to buy mid or high grade gas when pulling a heavy load.
Nothing wrong with a diesel, if that's what folks want, but the 6.2 is no slouch. With the 3.73 rear axle, it will pull your trailer (8800 lbs.) across the Rockies (I-70) at the posted speed limit. For those who feel the need to speed, climbing the Rockies, a turbo diesel would be a better choice.
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07-24-2015, 04:19 PM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Anywhere
, USA Living.Somewhere.Yonder
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,359
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D Air Cloud
Nothing wrong with a diesel, if that's what folks want, but the 6.2 is no slouch. With the 3.73 rear axle, it will pull your trailer (8800 lbs.) across the Rockies (I-70) at the posted speed limit.
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Excellent.
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07-25-2015, 08:05 PM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
Anywhere
, USA Living.Somewhere.Yonder
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,359
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Well, thanks everyone for the input, but at the end of the (long) day it looks like I'm keeping my F150. I got some great prices on trucks at dealers that wouldn't budge on my trade. Then I got great trade offers from dealers that wouldn't deal as well on new trucks. End of the day the delta was pretty consistent and was slightly more than I wanted to spend for this truck right now. For the spread I was looking at I would just assume make a slightly larger jump and get the exact options I want, not compromise with what's on the lot (which isn't much in the 2015's right now).
I did drive the F250 and frankly it was a meh moment. It was fine, don't get me wrong. What really turned me off was the mileage. I knew it wasn't going to be great, but I ran a stretch that I know my truck will be in the 19-21 range on and couldn't muster more than 14-15 mpg. That was unloaded. I'm sure towing they would be closer. But that's a big difference as I will be running this truck unloaded a bunch.
For now I'm going to keep my truck. If I do make a move in the future I hope Ford comes out with either a "baby diesel" or an eco-boost 5.0V8 in these trucks. Or I'll just bite the bullet and get the big diesel perhaps. Or maybe look at the Nissan Titan that's coming?
Again, thanks.
On a passing note, I have surmised that with the 6.2 an F250 is fine. With the diesel, I would jump to the F350. So that answers my original question anyway.
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07-26-2015, 07:30 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 25' Classic
Full Time
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,309
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Thanks for the report on your endevor. The mileage figures for the 6.2L seem to be similar to user's experiences on Fuelly.com. The same spec'd engine in a 1/2t gets 4 or 5mpg better. Must be the added weight of the chassis and aerodynamics at speed. So when you add a heavy trailer probably figure 8 to 10mpg towing. With the 36 gallon tank you have a safe driving range of 300 miles.
Probably most dealers will never give you the best price on the new vehicle and the highest trade in value together.Trying to sell a late model vehicle privately is difficult because buyers would have to sell their vehicle and arrange financing. Then there is the hassle of taking calls, arranging test drives etc. Trading in a vehicle has the advantage of reducing the sales tax on a new vehicle purchased. I wonder if you'd get a better deal looking at a preowned model. Dealers motto is to buy low and sell high.
When we were looking for a truck in 2013 we looked at the closeout 2012 F150 EB at a local Ford dealership. They really low balled us on the trade in on our 2005 Toyota 4Runner and we walked away. The sales person never called back etc. Guess they figured they could sell it the next day.
A local Ford dealer here usually shows all there F250 inventory with reduced prices often about $8k to $9koff MSRP off $53k to $62k. I bet trying to get a good trade in would be difficult.
Might be better to wait until the end of the year for better deals but then selection is less.
Kelvin
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07-26-2015, 07:46 AM
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#67
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Free Range Human
2012 25' FB Flying Cloud
Currently Looking...
Haines
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 736
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Just a quick comment on trading in a vehicle. Don't do it! A dealer will almost never give you what your vehicle is worth. Sell it yourself.
When you're buying, know what you're willing to pay. Tell the sales person what you will pay, and that you'll walk if they can't meet your price. Be willing to do exactly that.
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07-26-2015, 10:59 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
sequim
, Washington
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 301
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lots of ways to approach this from the sellers point of view. figure an accurate worth of your vehicle using NADA online. you will be very close to what the dealer will look up. then you need to shop for a dealer who is ready to sell to you. all of them in my location will do 'locates' to find what i want as we are way out in the boonies. the closest dealer will not deal with me but that didn't stop me from finding a dealer who wanted my business. so start with a realistic view of worth and go from there. it may take some time but i have never had any trouble making deals.
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08-12-2015, 11:24 AM
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Fulltimer Oldtimer
2015 30' International
Marietta
, Ohio
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCOTTinNJ
This issue has been touched on in some recent threads, but sort of tangentially. I'm looking to move from my F-150 to a 3/4 or 1 ton for my 2014 30' FC (8,800# GVWR) as the F-150 is nearly maxed out.
The truck will not be heavily loaded but I've read a lot of reports of F-250's sagging and needing airbags. I'd rather not mess with those and am considering going to an F-350 instead if the ride isn't going to punish me and my trailer.
I'm looking at the 6.2 gasser in XLT trim to the extent that makes a difference.
So should I skip right to the F-350? Anyone with actual experience with these recent models? I am only looking at 2015's because of the discounts being offered now.
Thank you.
(and not to make this a hitch issue, but I'll probably be going with an Equal-i-zer hitch with 1,000# bars)
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I just bought a 2015 F-350 Super Duty Crew Cab Diesel - love it! It rides about like my Excursion w/7.3 PowerStroke. We are picking up our 30' International Signature tomorrow.
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08-12-2015, 03:16 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 30' International
Scottsdale
, Arizona
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 723
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If I recall correctly, there is very little difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton. The primary difference being an extra leaf in each of the rear leaf springs. That's why the price difference between similarly equipped 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks is so little. Some say that the 1 ton may be slightly less "passenger car" like in ride.
With our 2016 30' International Serenity, we couldn't be happier with our choice of a 3/4 ton Denali HD Duramax/Allison. It is definitely all the truck we need, and more, without being too much. I think a 3/4 ton diesel is "just right" for a 30' Airstream.
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08-13-2015, 06:56 AM
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#71
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4 Rivet Member
2011 30' Flying Cloud
Arvada
, Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 411
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I agree with DHart. We moved from a 3/4 ton Suburban to a 2500HD Duramax/Allison. Ford, Chevy, or Ram I agree that the 3/4 ton diesel is the ideal vehicle to haul a 30' Airstream.
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