RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-28-2007, 03:15 AM   #1
1 Rivet Member
 
1962 19' Globetrotter
shickshinny , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6
level fridge ?

Reading in threads that the frige should be level before starting...so that means you cant use it while driving on propane. or with an inverter....right? or wrong?
LanceW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 07:36 AM   #2
Naysayer
 
Boondocker's Avatar

 
1968 24' Tradewind
Louisville , earth
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,635
Images: 7
Send a message via Yahoo to Boondocker
Wrong. You can use your refer underway. Lots and lots has been said about wether you should use propane while driving, but that is a seperate issue. If you want to read more than you ever wanted to know on the subject just use the search feature or scan the refer section. FWIW: I often keep mine running while on the road during the hotter times of the year. If you do this, remember you MUST turn it off before entering gas stations and not turn it back on untill you have left the fueling area.
__________________
Rodney

Visit my photography page
and the
Favorite camp grounds project map
My Blog

(The artist formerly known as General Disarray)

Boondocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 07:55 AM   #3
Rivet Master
 
Lumatic's Avatar
 
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia , New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,578
Images: 16
Blog Entries: 1
I regularly run the fridge on gas on the road. But if you have a short hop of a couple hours or less, probably won't melt the ice cream if it is off. I'm a fireman and have never heard of a gas station fire started by a running fridge although in theory it is possible.
__________________
Sail on silver girl. Sail on by. Your time has come to shine.
Lumatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 08:02 AM   #4
Naysayer
 
Boondocker's Avatar

 
1968 24' Tradewind
Louisville , earth
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,635
Images: 7
Send a message via Yahoo to Boondocker
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshall
I'm a fireman and have never heard of a gas station fire started by a running fridge although in theory it is possible.
As a former firefighter/medic, I have no desire to be that historic first case....All joking aside though, I would rate running a refer while fueling to be like smoking there. Why risk it?
__________________
Rodney

Visit my photography page
and the
Favorite camp grounds project map
My Blog

(The artist formerly known as General Disarray)

Boondocker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 08:38 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
Zeppelinium's Avatar

 
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,023
Send a message via Skype™ to Zeppelinium
Regarding the fridge's flame and gasoline: it's going to be 12-20 feet away from the fueling point. If you're generating an explosive or flammable vapor while you're fueling (unless you're one of those ditzy dames that just "has" to get back in the car and rub her rayon-covered butt across the plastic seat cover while the fuel is pouring into her gas tank, generating more static electricity than a dozen cats), I'd think your nose would be telling you to stop long before the cloud got to the fridge. I'm more concerned about the guy who pulls into the station in his old truck with holes in the muffler. Or those who pull in to the station while smoking.

There are so many inadvertent sources of ignition in the everyday life of a gas station that shutting down your fridge (do you do it 1 block away, 100 feet away, after you arrive at the station [and near others who are in the act of fueling]?) probably doesn't reduce the risk level at all.

Zep
__________________
Zep@Charmedquark.net
Zeppelinium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 08:42 AM   #6
Rivet Master
 
Zeppelinium's Avatar

 
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake , Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,023
Send a message via Skype™ to Zeppelinium
Yes, you can use your fridge while driving. Damage happens when a non-level fridge completely evaporates the working fluid and the tilt of the fridge prevents the condensing fluid from getting back into the evaporator. When you're driving, the motion/bouncing of the trailer always "sloshes" fluid back to where it needs to be.

The damage results because the total evaporation of the working fluid creates crystals of one of the components (can't recall which) and once the crystals form they cannot be dissolved.

I just wish someone would publish the no-kidding real alloable tilt angles. Is it 1 degree, 5 degrees, or 15 degrees?

Zep
__________________
Zep@Charmedquark.net
Zeppelinium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 08:50 AM   #7
Rivet Master
 
Alumaholic's Avatar

 
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Albuquerque , New Mexico
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,915
Images: 36
Zep, Zep, Zep...Sigh

Your example is true if you are the only one refueling. In todays gasoline marts and truck stops, your refer's open flame may be a substantially safe distance away from "your' fueling point but right next to someone elses fueling point. The real danger is a fuel spill from that adjacent vehicle (when the nozzle doesn't trip itself off for example) followed by a river of gasoline under your Airstream, followed by ignition from your refer, followed by... well you know the rest.

Everything you say is true, but why take the risk or encourage anybody else to take the risk?

You may return fire when ready, Gridley.
__________________
Ken L
2019 Flying Cloud 27FB
2020 GMC Sierra 1500 Crew Cab 6.2L Max Tow
Four Corners Unit WBCCI #5783
Alumaholic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 08:51 AM   #8
Moderator
 
HiHoAgRV's Avatar

 
1991 34' Excella
1963 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Central , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,888
Images: 29
Blog Entries: 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeppelinium

I just wish someone would publish the no-kidding real alloable tilt angles. Is it 1 degree, 5 degrees, or 15 degrees?

Zep
And in which Axis? Trailer Fore/Aft or trailer Port/ Starbord?
__________________
Hi Ho Silver RV! Vernon, Sarah, Mac the Border Collie(RIP) -
A honkin' long 34' named AlumaTherapy https://www.airforums.com/forums/f20...num-54749.html
and a 26' '63 Overlander, Dolly https://www.airforums.com/forums/f10...ome-71609.html
HiHoAgRV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 09:23 AM   #9
1 Rivet Short
 
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay , Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,577
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiHoAgRV
And in which Axis? Trailer Fore/Aft or trailer Port/ Starbord?
If you have an older fridge (original? in your case) you must be bubble level.
Newer fridges, the camper must be level enough for comfortable living.

Don't ask how I know this...

Bill
__________________
*Life is Good-Camping all around the Continent*
*Good people drink good beer-Hunter S Thompson*
BillTex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 09:31 AM   #10
Moderator
 
HiHoAgRV's Avatar

 
1991 34' Excella
1963 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Central , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,888
Images: 29
Blog Entries: 49
I guess the question on the table is
"How level is level?"
I have a precision level for equipment setup that would be overkill, assuming there is a standard location on the fridge to check for level...

In looking at the design, I wouild suspect the units would be more sensitive to trailer fore/aft but I could also make a good argument for the other axis.

Anyone seen published info?
__________________
Hi Ho Silver RV! Vernon, Sarah, Mac the Border Collie(RIP) -
A honkin' long 34' named AlumaTherapy https://www.airforums.com/forums/f20...num-54749.html
and a 26' '63 Overlander, Dolly https://www.airforums.com/forums/f10...ome-71609.html
HiHoAgRV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 09:38 AM   #11
INSANITY CENTRAL
 
doorgunner's Avatar
 
1986 32' Excella
2014 Interstate Ext. Coach
Citrus Heights , California
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,105
Images: 35
I always carry a ice chest in the front seat with me, that way when I need a beer I just reach over and pop one. Having to pull over and get one out of the trailer wouls cut into my ETA to the campsite. I keep the fridge stocked with BUB (back up beer) for when I get where I'm going. But I'm half a bubble off anyho.
__________________


www.popasmoke.com




Proud Appellation American





Vine View Heights is now closed.

YETI ( 65 Quart )

IGLOO (Ice Cube, 50 Quart )
doorgunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 09:40 AM   #12
1 Rivet Short
 
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay , Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,577
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiHoAgRV
I guess the question on the table is
"How level is level?"
I have a precision level for equipment setup that would be overkill, assuming there is a standard location on the fridge to check for level...

In looking at the design, I wouild suspect the units would be more sensitive to trailer fore/aft but I could also make a good argument for the other axis.

Anyone seen published info?
It's here somewhere; Refrigerators — Dometic USA
or
Service Documents
__________________
*Life is Good-Camping all around the Continent*
*Good people drink good beer-Hunter S Thompson*
BillTex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 09:54 AM   #13
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,653
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
The older the unit the more critical it is to be level. Level means to all sides and the earlier posts describe what happens if you aren't level.

Supposedly the newer fridges are more tolerant of level and the word I've heard is "if you are comfortable with the level of your trailer when you are inside, it's ok for the refrigerator".

Normally you can check the level of the fridge with a bubble level where the bubble is in a central position and will show all directions. The bottom of the freezer compartment is a pretty good spot to check (assuming the bottom is flat). Once you get the trailer level, front to back and side to side, according to that level in the freezer, you can mount an external level on the outside of the trailer that will reflect level (if you don't have one there already or don't know if the outside level is accurate).

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 10:18 AM   #14
Moderator
 
HiHoAgRV's Avatar

 
1991 34' Excella
1963 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Central , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,888
Images: 29
Blog Entries: 49
FYI the most analytical unit I've seen so far to describe "level" is a round type bubble level, in the center of the freezer compartment floor, must have at least 3/4 of the bubble in the ring.
I was hoping there was a more defined specification.
__________________
Hi Ho Silver RV! Vernon, Sarah, Mac the Border Collie(RIP) -
A honkin' long 34' named AlumaTherapy https://www.airforums.com/forums/f20...num-54749.html
and a 26' '63 Overlander, Dolly https://www.airforums.com/forums/f10...ome-71609.html
HiHoAgRV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 10:49 AM   #15
2 Rivet Member
 
rambn's Avatar
 
2007 19' Bambi
el centro , California
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gen Disarray
As a former firefighter/medic, I have no desire to be that historic first case....All joking aside though, I would rate running a refer while fueling to be like smoking there. Why risk it?
Or my personal favorite, people that talk on their cellphones while fueling.
rambn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 11:00 AM   #16
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,653
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiHoAgRV
FYI the most analytical unit I've seen so far to describe "level" is a round type bubble level, in the center of the freezer compartment floor, must have at least 3/4 of the bubble in the ring.
I was hoping there was a more defined specification.
Here is a link to one.

Save at RV Partscenter - RV Parts and Supply

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 11:10 AM   #17
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,475
Pretty much what has been said. Comfy for new, level for older units.
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 11:44 AM   #18
1 Rivet Member
 
1962 19' Globetrotter
shickshinny , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6
Thanks to all for answering my question... After being very stupid at 19 and steam burning off 1/2 my skin from calf to ear on the right side of body (took a radiator cap off a overheated personell carrier with the toe of my boot) I was a long time recovering. Lesson: better safe then sorry is well learned. I opt to not refuel with an open flame anywhere near.....if I can remember! Lance
LanceW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 12:06 PM   #19
Rivet Master
 
2005 30' Classic
... , ...
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 512
Images: 12
Installed a new Norcold (model 510). The manual said 3 degrees tolerance, curb side to street side of the TT (front to back, back to front of the fridge), and 6 degrees the other way.

Also been talking with the local dealer, where I bought the fridge (new fridge needing new parts - for the third time - they haven't figured out what is wrong – go figure). With limited level tolerances, traveling with the fridge working on gas can cause it to lock up, as no road is built with the idea of staying within the 3 degree thing for RV’ers. The service dept. says they fix about 2 units per season that have had this happen.

I recently read a thread here where the tanks came loose and would have caused a fire if the tanks were turned on and in use.

The service guy was very much against using the fridge while in transport.

Is it really worth the risk? Is it really that important to run the fridge in transport? If it is, maybe the use of ice (dry or otherwise) would be better.
GetOutDoors is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-28-2007, 02:21 PM   #20
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffy Gem
Installed a new Norcold (model 510). The manual said 3 degrees tolerance, curb side to street side of the TT (front to back, back to front of the fridge), and 6 degrees the other way.

Also been talking with the local dealer, where I bought the fridge (new fridge needing new parts - for the third time - they haven't figured out what is wrong – go figure). With limited level tolerances, traveling with the fridge working on gas can cause it to lock up, as no road is built with the idea of staying within the 3 degree thing for RV’ers. The service dept. says they fix about 2 units per season that have had this happen.

I recently read a thread here where the tanks came loose and would have caused a fire if the tanks were turned on and in use.

The service guy was very much against using the fridge while in transport.

Is it really worth the risk? Is it really that important to run the fridge in transport? If it is, maybe the use of ice (dry or otherwise) would be better.
Any "good" reefer can operate considerably off level for 15 to 20 minutes without locking up.

Thousands of Airstreamers do that all the time, without a problem.

Traveling with the gas on, is OK, except when in a tunnel. You are supposed to make sure everything on your trailer is secure, including the LPG bottles. Thousands of Airstreamers do that too.

For that matter, if the bottles were shut off, and they came loose and hit the ground, you still could have a fire or explosion.

Sounds like the service guy doesn't know much about RVing, or Airstreaming.

Gosh, if we should worry about what "could" happen with the LPG system, then perhaps we should also worry about the other fools on the highways, that "could" hit us head on. They are by far, a greater hazard than a secure LPG system could ever be.

Have things secure, keep the running gear properly balanced (so that you don't shake things loose), and enjoy your Airstream with your family and friends.

Andy
__________________
Andy Rogozinski
Inland RV Center
Corona, CA
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Replacing RM100 fridge....troubles? JohnGalt48 Refrigerators 3 04-18-2004 08:13 AM
Run the fridge while traveling? CBBOB General Motorhome Topics 35 11-26-2002 08:40 AM
Propane fridge installation yaakman Refrigerators 5 09-12-2002 07:34 PM
Battery Level Display uwe Electrical - Systems, Generators, Batteries & Solar 4 07-04-2002 08:31 PM
Help with Coolant Level winner Mechanics Corner - Engines, Transmission & More... 6 04-24-2002 05:47 AM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.