Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-11-2021, 10:32 AM   #1
MAJ
New Member
 
Currently Looking...
NASHVILLE , TN
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 3
Boondocking with 19CB?

Please be patient with me all, I'm new to this forum. I've been looking at a 19CB, but can't find any info on it's boondocking capability. Not talking about anything really serious, but just some solitude from time to time. My tow vehicle will easily handle the trailer and while it's not an aggressive off road vehicle I can lock it into 4WD if needed and it has 8 inches of ground clearance so depending on what the trailer can handle I should be able to access some nice places. Has anyone had any experience boondocking with a 19CB? I'd definitely appreciate some wisdom and tips. I also can't find any information on the ground clearance for the 19CB either, so if anyone could share that with me I'd sincerely appreciate it. Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide.

Michael
MAJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2021, 11:31 AM   #2
Half a Rivet Short
 
2017 30' Classic
Currently Looking...
Carlisle , Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 11,929
Hi

Welcome !!!!

For most "boondocking" covers any off grid camping at a range of locations from the Walmart parking lot to Forest Service dispersed campsites to way down a dirt track on BLM land.

The typical AS trailer is not that great for ground clearance. The Basecamp wins in this regard. They also are not super duper for approach and departure angles. You can add a lift kit to raise them up 2 or 3" to help with this.

As is, they are about as good clearance wise as the typical car or truck. Approach and departure ... not so much. Even with a lift kit you still could find places that this or that truck could go and the trailer would be challenged.

Normal paved or gravel roads are not going to be a big deal. There might be a very steep railroad crossing, it probably will be marked since it will not be "ok" for a lot of folks. Dirt roads mostly are going to be ok. When it starts to turn into a rock crawl or river fording is called for .... nope.

Depending on how long you want to be out, the capacity of your water tanks is going to set a practical max. There is some learning involved in conserving water. There are lots of threads on this.

Next up is power. You have a fridge in the newer trailers that runs on 12V. If you don't have the solar and lithium upgrades, you will need a (possibly quite small) generator even for a couple days out. You also would need to be someplace that generators are allowed. You get into similar power issues running the furnace in cold weather. Again some learning is involved to understand power management.

Bottom line, as long as you don't go to crazy, yes you can get pretty far away from it all with a 19CB.

Bob
uncle_bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2021, 08:40 AM   #3
MAJ
New Member
 
Currently Looking...
NASHVILLE , TN
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 3
Bob let me first say thank you so much for getting back to me and sharing this very helpful information. I assure you there will be no rock climbing or river fording here my friend, although I would've loved it when I was younger. I'm 60 now and I hate to say it, but I'm disabled because of some back issues, so I have to be real careful with lifting or the Doc says I'll wind up having to have a major back surgery. Definitely not on my bucket list.

From your information it sounds like I could go anywhere I would want to go. The wife's gone, daughter got married so I'm an empty nester. I'm just looking for some quiet places to reflect and relax. If I could bend your ear a little more, are you aware of any way to add a rear bumper to the 19CB that would support a generator I could lock down. There's no way I can lift even a small one? If you've got some thoughts, you could share I'd really appreciate it. Thanks again and...

Stay safe,

Michael
MAJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2021, 09:43 AM   #4
3 Rivet Member
 
2015 25' Flying Cloud
Tucson , Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 110
I once saw a 23CB in a campground with a generator mounted above the batteries and behind the propane tanks. No idea how feasible that is with your model and no idea where to get it done. But it could be an option. If you're not concerned about needing to run the air conditioner, solar could be an option for you to keep batteries charged and not need to lug a generator.
McStreamy_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2021, 06:58 AM   #5
Half a Rivet Short
 
2017 30' Classic
Currently Looking...
Carlisle , Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 11,929
Hi

Not specific to the 19CB, but to all AS trailers. They really are not built to put weight on the rear bumper. You can easily do damage to them that way. It also makes things like sway a lot worse.

Simple answer for the generator is to have a small one in the back of your truck. It stays there and never gets lifted out. When you need to top off the batteries, you fire it up. Something like a Honda 1000i will do fine for topping off the batteries.

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/to...3068_200833068

A radically different approach ( = more money !!!) would be to swing over to a van. For one person an Interstate 19 (or something similar.... 24X maybe ....) might be fine. You then have the generator built into the vehicle. You also do not have all of the "heavy lifting" involved in hooking up and unhooking the trailer. Getting out and about wise, they are quite capable. ( = in the same league as the typical stock AS trailer ).

Bob
uncle_bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 01:19 PM   #6
1 Rivet Member
 
2021 16' Bambi
Forest Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 16
We have a 2021 Bambi 16RB with the 90W solar option which includes an upgrade to AGM batteries. Like you've found there isn't a ton of information in one place about boondocking capabilities and the sales literature makes it sound like getting the solar option enables endless boondocking. In reality we found it's does ok if you're sitting in the sun for topping off the batteries but it's not nearly enough to sustain boondocking for any long period of time. You need more power sources to extend battery life.

And as Bob points out a lot depends on what kind of boondocking you're doing. We go to a lot of National Forest campgrounds which have toilets and water, so we haven't had any tank issues. We can go 3 days before the charge on the AGMs gets close to 50%, the bottom before damage can occur. I only know this because I installed a Victron shunt (https://www.victronenergy.com/batter...-battery-shunt) to measure our battery capacity. (Before I did this there is little clue how much charge is left other than the solar controller displays the battery voltage which is like reading tea leaves to me.)

Also as Bob points out the 12V refrigerator is the most consistent drain on power. We quickly learned to keep this at as high of setting as possible (at the point where the freezer doesn't defrost). The lights use next to nothing. You can't run the AC on battery. (Also note that Bambis do not come with inverters, so no expresso machine either). We ran the furnace some, but it isn't too big of a power hog.

We don't have any room for another panel on our roof (maybe the 19' does). To help extend our batteries, I added an external 100W solar panel I can move around to get the best sun angle. Our Bambi comes with an external Zamp solar panel plug in which does nothing other than it is just wired directly to the battery. I installed a Victron 75/15 solar charge controller which can accommodate at least another panel (l now know more about solar than I ever thought possible) wiring it into the rats nest of cables AS puts under the dinette seat (I'm sure the 19' has more room). Now we can plug the panel into the Zamp connector and it will register with the shunt so we can measure how much the panel is contributing.

This probably sounds a lot more complicated that it is, but basically I feel to get something you can boondock with and know what your battery levels are and have a little extra external power, I needed to make those additions. I have something like $500 extra into it (including the new panel). To get to the next level it will take some money for Lithium batteries and a charge controller upgrade ($1,500+) and/or possibly a DC/DC charger ($263, https://www.invertersupply.com/index...ucts_id=194735) to run from our TV. A DC/DC charger basically turns our car into a generator for not a lot of money.
JeffKim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 02:36 PM   #7
Rivet Master
 
2007 16' International CCD
Vintage Kin Owner
Somewhere , Colorado
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 530
As others have mentioned, if you get a new trailer with the electric-only fridge the power draw will be a challenge to staying unplugged. My research shows you will need 1-200 watts of solar, one or two lithium batteries, and some favorable sun conditions to last more than a few days. For some a generator is an option, but I wouldn't recommend one to someone with a bad back who is seeking peace and quiet!


Alternatively, up until very recently Airstreams came with propane fridges which use a small fraction (maybe 10%) of the electricity used by the electric-only. So, a used trailer might work better for your intended use.
field & stream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 05:09 PM   #8
Rivet Master
 
2020 23' Flying Cloud
Sebastian , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 802
Michael,

Welcome to the forum! Most who announce themselves as starry eyed newbie campers quickly get showered with a flood of opinions, which they can sort through to home in on their own realities. Camping in 21st century America is not for sissies.
Boondocking: In Tennessee, you are talking shaded NFS or NPS sites, maybe some sunnier one night Harvest Hosts or Boondockers Welcome. Solar will often fall short of the rated output - by a lot. A “portable” solar panel can weigh every bit as much as a small gennerator. A small generator will usually be pull start, which can be as stressful as lifting. Is your TV a pickup with a bed? You won’t want to carry a gas generator inside an SUV.
I hate to say it, but public campgrounds are not havens of peace and quiet anymore. And if you have lung issues, you will come to despise people’s inconsiderate, pathetic attempts at a “campfire” built fifteen smoky feet away from your hastily closed windows. Cue the A/C, which means shore power.
The fridge: this topic elicits as many strong opinions as the choice of tow vehicle. Yes, you can run on propane, but have a plan for juggling the 50ish-pound-when-full cylinder a few times a season. (About the same as a generator or larger solar panel) The absorption (propane) models are very hit-or-miss, performance wise, with fans added in the back of most to cool the coils. (more noise) My personal impression is that the power consumption of a compressor (electric only) style is not ten times that of the propane style, because the control board and fan draw power. That said, I only have experience with the absorption style and our currrent one works surprisingly well.
I’ll give you the same advice I’ve given others: Do your first Boondocking adventure in your own driveway, so you can plug in to shore power to save your batteries from being damaged by draining them below 50%. (See the threads...)
Other members will probably hunt me down for being disloyal to the brand, but there are smaller, well designed van campers (think Pleasureway or a used Born Free) that might fit your needs better, as uncle_bob suggested.
There are lots more threads on these topics to help you in your decision.Whatever you end up with, I wish you all the best!
__________________
-Don
(That man in that tiny can)
(Same man, Bigger can)
GetawA-S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2021, 05:18 PM   #9
Half a Rivet Short
 
2017 30' Classic
Currently Looking...
Carlisle , Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 11,929
Hi

A lot of this gets into your budget. If you have $500,000 to spend there are different options than if you have a max budget of $50,000. Needless to say, you get more if you spend more .....

Bob
uncle_bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Boondocking with 19CB? MAJ 2020 And Newer Caravel 1 09-11-2021 12:32 PM
19CB Water tank use and city water connection..... JJTX 2005 and newer - Bambi all models 5 09-26-2018 07:02 PM
New to Airstream, purchased 2018 19CB Tommy Jkreis Tommy Bahama Special Editions 25 08-05-2018 03:17 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.