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Old 08-25-2014, 08:25 PM   #169
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So my hepvo arrived today and I can now stop procrastinating on my holding tanks designs... (Needed to know how big that thing was)

My current plan involves having the hepvo located outside the frame in outrigger territory so I can access it by removing the corner banana wrap if anything ever goes wrong. (The corners are the easiest to remove because they are not sandwiched in). Then the water will pass through a hole I cut in the frame into the gray tank.

The tanks are WAY expensive so I'm considering making my own gray and black out of stainless steel like they do on some boats. The fresh I will go with buying a plastic one. All of this is pending everyone's approval of course


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Old 08-26-2014, 02:09 AM   #170
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Composting Toilet???

The-Marco,
have you considered installing a composting toilet and eliminating the need for a black tank altogether? The principal is that you separate the liquids from the solids, since this is what makes the smelly sewage. The liquid is either collected in a bottle, that will be emptied every few days in a toilet (or in the bushes in a remote area), or can also be routed into the gray water tank with some set-ups. The solids are kept in a sealed container as long as possible. One throws a handful of peat moss, sawdust or coconut coir in the container after going #2. Once the container is full, you pour the dry matter in a garbage bag and discard it in a trash bin. Every user claims that the only thing you smell is an "earthy, dirt smell".

You'll use much less fresh water since flushing is eliminated, and you don't have to drive around with your own sewage.

I did a lot of research on composting toilets and it is definitively the way to go for me. There are tons of positive experiences on the web by boaters and RVers alike. The brands that come to mind are Nature's Head, Air Head and C-Head. I might event build my own using the separating toilet seat "Privy Kit 501".

Check it out, it's worth while considering itů

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Old 08-26-2014, 03:40 PM   #171
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Its been my experience that when I try to create something in-house to serve a purpose that has already been tried and proven, I end up with a superior product as compared to the original, but ends up costing me more money than if I had gone with the original option. Stuff I produce is better and will last longer but ultimately cost more in terms of parts, supplies, and my time. Just my opinion.
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Old 08-26-2014, 04:51 PM   #172
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

I don't know where you are getting your tank prices from, but I am CERTAIN that I got mine for much less than it would have cost me in stainless steel alone to make them.

Stainless steel ain't cheap, and if making tanks, a sheet will disappear really quickly.

I have a couple of sheet metal brakes and a shear, and a son who can weld pretty darn well, but I never even considered making tanks.

I bought mine over the internet,,, maybe tanks.com or something like that?

They had hundreds of sizes available.
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Old 08-27-2014, 12:24 AM   #173
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Thanks for the composting toilet tip Martina, the only brand I had checked out was nature's head, and at $1k i ran screaming. I'll look up the other ones you mentioned as well.

I was thinking of going the traditional route because I was planning on putting hookups in the driveway of my next house and using the AS as a guest house when I'm not camping.

My thinking on the stainless steel gray tank was to have it drop below the frame (but not past the skid plate) and not cover it in belly skin. I thought the exposed stainless would hold up better than exposed plastic? And look better if anyone dropped a contact lens near by.

For the black tank, figured I could make it strong enough for the toilet to sit on it without needing a wood box for support. Seems like a bad place for wood.

And while my poor sucker of a neighbor is helping me with all this welding, I might make a shower pan out of stainless too! Since I have no idea how to make a custom pan out of anything else (that won't look like junk).

I have no idea how much stainless sheets cost, hopefully less than $400 for all this stuff I'm doing :/ ugh


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Old 08-27-2014, 01:16 AM   #174
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

I extended my black and gray tanks into the skid plate area, it only made sense. Right now they are still exposed on the bottom, but I am going to extend a modified belly pan under them, it will be an easy process once I get to it.

I constructed a stainless shower pan but I ended up buying a 32 x 32 complete shower from Lowe's, it was just easier in the long run.

Plenty of houses have the stool sitting on wood.... It is jus important that they don't leak!!!

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It seems to me that I paid about 300 for the shower, base, walls, and door.
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Old 08-27-2014, 06:21 PM   #175
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Your shower looks great! I was going to go the mosaic route. My shower is in the corner so pre-fab won't work.

Do you have any pictures of your tanks and the underside/belly? I'd really appreciate it! Would love to see what areas I should beef up judging by the scrapes and dings in yours


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Old 08-27-2014, 07:13 PM   #176
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

Tile would be nice, but watch your weight in the last three or four feet of trailer.

I initially made mine too heavy here and if forced a remodel of my remodel.

The problem wasn't so much weight behind the axles as it was too much weight too far back. The weight right at the back of the trailer creates a pendulum effect adding greatly to sway.

I do have some pics but not on this device. I will see about getting those pics uploaded so I can share them.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:15 PM   #177
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Yeah the weight balance stuff freaks me out a bit. I was going to relocate my battery bank to the front of the axels to offset the added bathroom weight.

I had an awful towing experience pulling a forklift that rolled to the back of the trailer. At speed it lifted my rear truck tires off the road a tiny bit and that pretty much tosses me around the road left and right, swaying everything. It is a miracle I didn't flip and kill anyone. A bottomed out truck from front trailer weight is better than the alternative.


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Old 09-01-2014, 09:32 PM   #178
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Wow! It appears you know much more about what you're doing than I originally thought when I started reading this. It looks like you're doing really great work! I only hope that I will not be joining the "Full Monte" club. My dad and I purchased a 1970 27' Overlander 3 days ago but haven't had a chance to do any work on it yet. I will have many questions through out my journey. If you or anyone else has the time to help I would be greatly appreciated. My AS was already gutted when we bought it so that will save me some time. So on to the questions.

1.Do I have to pull the body to replace the floor?
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:38 PM   #179
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You dont have to pull the shell to change the floor, you can split the new sheets of ply and remove a full sheet at a time and replace 1/2 sheet at a time.
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Wow! It appears you know much more about what you're doing than I originally thought when I started ....My AS was already gutted when we bought it so that will save me some time. So on to the questions.

1.Do I have to pull the body to replace the floor?
Welcome.
Yeah you will need to remove the shell... Unless there is minimal damage. We need pics...
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Old 09-01-2014, 09:46 PM   #181
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Wow! It appears you know much more about what you're doing than I originally thought when I started reading this. It looks like you're doing really great work! I only hope that I will not be joining the "Full Monte" club. My dad and I purchased a 1970 27' Overlander 3 days ago but haven't had a chance to do any work on it yet. I will have many questions through out my journey. If you or anyone else has the time to help I would be greatly appreciated. My AS was already gutted when we bought it so that will save me some time. So on to the questions.

1.Do I have to pull the body to replace the floor?

Good question, I would recommend starting your own thread like Marco did and post your questions/progress so we can follow along.


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Old 09-01-2014, 10:01 PM   #182
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Hey JHawk,
There are some threads on doing a shell on floor replacement. I decided on the shell off because I had a feeling that things were going to be a hot mess with the frame and since I have a 2.5 car width drive-way (the absolute minimum amount of space needed for a shell-off) I figured I'd just go for it.

I'm really glad I'm doing shell off, turns out that they hired the worst welders on earth at the ol' AS factory. Most of my outriggers can be wiggled right off, same with two of the cross members. They basically fell off. It wasn't even from rust on the welds.

So next step when I finish grinding the surface rust down is to re-weld pretty much everything and I'm going to box in parts of the frame.

I have a neighbor teaching me how to weld, if you don't have one of those, call in a pro to inspect your frame and fix it up where it needs it.

May God have mercy on your soul.

P.S. feel free to send some pics, I can make some predictions of what you are in store for since I'm right in the middle of this mess.


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