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Old 08-30-2017, 06:54 PM   #1
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Tell me the History!

I purchased this Airstream today but they couldn't tell me anything about it. Also, it came without a Title and no bill of sale. It's a Overlander with a rear bath, side kitchen...assuming 26 ft but haven't measured it.

Can anyone tell me any further information about this trailer? (Year, Style?)

Also, I live in Michigan. How should I go about getting it registered and insurance without title or bill of sale?

Thank you for any insight in advance!
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:14 PM   #2
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Without at least a bill of sale I'm not sure how you would go about getting it registered. Hope you didn't pay much as it could be stolen. First move would have to be taking the Vin numbers to your local police department and have them verify that it is not stolen. If it checks out your dmv should be able to tell you what you will have to do to get it registered.
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Old 08-30-2017, 07:23 PM   #3
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It should not have been difficult to get a bill of sale from the seller, including his or her identification, and authority to sell the trailer. There are generic forms available on the Internet for this purpose. Did the seller refuse to give you a bill of sale? Did he or she tell you the history of the AS and give you info on its former owners?

It is crucial IMO that you get a bill of sale from the seller, or you are going to have trouble registering it.



Good suggestion to take the VIN to the police or DMV. Just be prepared to be arrested for possession of stolen property however!



The price of $1250 seems like a steal [intended], unless the AS is stolen, and you get arrested for possession of stolen property. And cannot register it at the DMV. [edit -- see PS]

Good luck,

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PS -- Your other thread is here:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f348...-a-172114.html

In general it is easier for everyone if you keep a single thread going for starters IMO.
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I wasn't able to pick this up myself, so I paid someone that I know to pick it up for me. The bill of sale was forgotten in the transaction. I've reached back out to the seller but getting no response ....

And yes, I agree about the two redundant posts. I thought the $1,250 title entice more people to assist with seeing what year this is. I'm eager to start researching and understanding what I have. However, I'm finding that challenging. I've narrowed it to what I think it a 1963 Overlander but the exterior lights are throwing me for a curve.

Thank you for your responses thus far!
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Old 08-30-2017, 08:07 PM   #5
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I would agree before you go much further you need to run a vin check with the authorities. Then you can start the process to legally register it, which generally in most states is a multi year waiting period or bonded title. You can email the Vintage Airstream Club historian, Joe, at historian@vintageairstreamclub.com but the only thing he can look us if there are any club numbers ghosted on the front and back end caps. He can tell you who had it in years around when it was new, but that's about it because the club didn't track vin numbers, just owner/members.
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I wasn't able to pick this up myself, so I paid someone that I know to pick it up for me. The bill of sale was forgotten in the transaction. I've reached back out to the seller but getting no response ....

And yes, I agree about the two redundant posts. I thought the $1,250 title entice more people to assist with seeing what year this is. I'm eager to start researching and understanding what I have. However, I'm finding that challenging. I've narrowed it to what I think it a 1963 Overlander but the exterior lights are throwing me for a curve.

Thank you for your responses thus far!
Yes, you have purchased a 1963 26' Overlander International with double bed, made on Ohio.

The marker lights above the window are not original and were likely replaced at some point in the past. It is not uncommon for them to have been replaced with whatever was available, because the original style became unavailable or at least hard to find. Reproductions are now available.
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After you have determined it has not been reported stolen, hire a specialty company to navigate the process of securing a bonded title. The cost is very reasonable.
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Old 08-31-2017, 09:34 AM   #8
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relevant input and advice - but the question wasn't "is this legal" it was - can someone "Tell me the history". The serial number will give you date and location of manufacture. Just google airstream serial number lookup. Not sure what other "history" you are looking for - with date and model in hand there will be plenty of marketing material specific to the year and model that will give you an idea of what the unit looked like when new which could be interesting. There are also forum discussion threads on every year and model. Best of luck with your purchase and I hope you are able to update it to your liking and enjoy it as it was intended to be used!
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I'm not getting anywhere with the seller. She thinks I'm seeking a title so I've had to explain that I'm seeking a bill of sale and what that entails. She still isn't understanding my request.

I'm trying to do an online VIN search but everything is requesting a 17 digit Vin, which Airstream didn't start making until the 80's. Any insight on how to do an online vin search?

I called local law enforcement but they were no assistance without the trailer actually being brought to the department.
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. . . but the question wasn't "is this legal" it was - can someone "Tell me the history".
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How should I go about getting it registered and insurance without title or bill of sale?
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Also, just spoke with Secretary of State (Michigan DMV) and they said I can do a TR-205 which is an Ownership Certification process. They will then search if it's stolen or not, then be able to move forward potentially with a Title or turn it over to authorities. Since the seller is being uncooperative, I'm afraid this will be my only resort....

Thank you all for the assistance and insight. As for history, if there isn't additional exciting history (minimal made, rare, etc... then year is all I was seeking.)
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Not sure about your state but here in Alabama anything 1982 or older doesn't require a title. You just carry unit to the dmv they check the vin and give you a tag.
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In NY state on older early 60’s vehicles all you need is a pencil tracing of the vin tag and state how long you have owned it. I was able to register a motorcycle and a British sports car that way. Of corse a bill of sale would help.
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