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Old 08-13-2016, 05:04 AM   #869
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One thing the Internet does is spread news and, if owners are legit, then these two issues should be paramount to Airstream.
One other thing I've discovered about the internet. If one person has an issue, then another has the same issue, suddenly everybody says "this is a huge issue"... when in fact, it could be less than 1% of all owners seeing a particular issue. I'm not saying this is always the case, but if people are happy and don't have issues, rarely do they chime in say "wow, guess what folks? I have no issues."

I guess what I'm saying is as a former support person for a fortune 500 company who had to follow things like this, I've seen more than my fair share of mountains being made out of molehills to realize there are plenty of good things too.

I've had exactly one issue with my Airstream. That was due to faulty QC in many places. But it was taken care of and thus far everything else has been things that you kind of expect with trailers (screws coming loose).

Again, that's not to say Airstream is perfect. But my sister has a different brand trailer and while nice, they have had to take it into the repair shop for lots of things that lead me to believe it's just part of buying a product with lots of moving parts from lots of different vendors.

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Old 08-13-2016, 07:05 AM   #870
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The thought of the hot water heater plumbing necessary to run the radiant heat and the energy necessary to keep the water circulating and hot sounds more like a maintenance nightmare. It will be interesting to watch how the system holds up in the mobile arena.

The Truma "AquaGo comfort plus" has a built in circulating pump, but the propane necessary to keep the water hot could deplete two 40 pound tanks faster than the furnace does.

If they also removed the propane powered Dometic ammonia based refrigerator for one with a Danfoss 12Vdc freon based compressor. that would also help extend the propane supply.
Someone on the forum made is own furnace out of a RV water heater, a car radiator, a fantastic fan, and a low volume water pump. He said it used far less electricity for than a traditional RV furnace. I don't know how much propane it would use in comparison to a standard RV furnace…but BTUs are BTUs.

It would add some time to winterizing, and bleeding air from the loop might be a pain.
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Old 08-13-2016, 08:05 AM   #871
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In my opinion having lived in an older home with actual boiler and radiators, and working in the HVAC profession, the issue with hot water piped heating vs blowing hot air or heating with spot heaters is latency.

What? Late-what?

Imagine situation in let's say late October in midwest where it was 68 daytime, and no heat was needed. Then the sun goes down and it begins to get cold.

If I'm cold in my AS, and turn on the propane furnace, it immediately blows hot air and the space is warmed up in a couple of minutes.

Same if I use one of those small electric heaters.

If I only have a hot water heating system, then first the water needs to be heated. "Instant" hot water heaters can make this go pretty quick, depending on how much hot water is needed. But at some point the water starts out cold and has to become hot. Then the hot water needs to be pumped through the piping system.

Then the air next to the hot pipes needs to be warmed by being next to the hot pipes. Then the water being circulated has to be continually warmed by the hot water heater because it gets cold as it circulates through the cold space. And then eventually the air in the space is all warmed up.

How cold it is when the heat is first turned on directly impacts how long it will take to get the space inside to a comfortable temperature. And this time-delay may is the latency.

And when it's all warmed up, because it's cold outside, the hot water heater will still need to come on and off to keep the water warm, in the same way that the furnace will turn off and on based on the space temperature.

To combat being uncomfortable during the latency period, you will likely still be turning on your current heat pump or furnace, just to get the air warmed up quickly.

So the advantage of the water system?

Probably quieter, depending on the power source on the water heater, may be more energy efficient, not blowing a bunch of dry hot air in your face, and it's a comfortable heat.
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:06 AM   #872
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RVIA this December in Louisville should be very interesting.

Interesting to see IF the move towards designing, building and marketing smaller RV's continues as this was to "ME" the single biggest trend I saw at the 2015 RVIA show.

Airstream had a large display along with "Big Daddy Thor" and the others at the 2015 show. The smaller Airstream offerings were front and center as you entered the Airstream display with the larger units forming the perimeter of their display.

I'll bet the "Smaller is Better" theme will continue in force at RVIA 2016!
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Old 08-13-2016, 09:21 PM   #873
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Maybe this is old news.....

The Vap, Episode 255, Alumapalooza 7 from June of this year (Rally at the mothership).

There was a very brief statement by somebody that was attending the rally concerning the Basecamp. The statement was to the effect that the Basecamp was being revived, but with a side door.

Subject changed after that statement. Maybe I heard it wrong.

Could that be the new, cheaper Airstream?

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I know this has become a long rambling thread but it would be nice if people would at least scan it before posting. Might help in decreasing the amount of duplicate post and links.
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Old 08-14-2016, 07:58 AM   #876
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I saw the new Basecamp while at the factory last week. Could not get close to it though.
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Old 08-14-2016, 06:32 PM   #877
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I know this has become a long rambling thread but it would be nice if people would at least scan it before posting. Might help in decreasing the amount of duplicate post and links.

Hi, this happens, but maybe it would be nicer to Welcome Pawdawg to the forum on his first post.
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Hi, this happens, but maybe it would be nicer to Welcome Pawdawg to the forum on his first post.
Thank you for that chastisement. I am sure you intended it in the nicest way.
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Thanks, Pawdawg, for posting this!

Additional information and discussion on Airstream's Nest Caravan is seen in the AirForums' thread, Fans of the Airstream Nest Caravan!

Welcome to AirForums!

The prototype of the Nest Caravan that Airstream acquired is seen below:

Nest Caravan camping trailer

P.S. Please pardon the duplicate post and links!
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Almost any thread that has almost 900 posts is going to repeat things. Not much more can be said until there is some news.

I have never seen a Basecamp except in photos, but wasn't it a kitchen, some storage and two cots to sit or sleep? It had two big doors in the back. If you move the door to the side, is it not a 16' Bambi? Is this confusion over the Nest and whatever Airstream is thinking about?

And the most important question—will a new Airstream MH come with a Nest as a spare?

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Almost any thread that has almost 900 posts is going to repeat things. Not much more can be said until there is some news.

I have never seen a Basecamp except in photos, but wasn't it a kitchen, some storage and two cots to sit or sleep? It had two big doors in the back. If you move the door to the side, is it not a 16' Bambi? Is this confusion over the Nest and whatever Airstream is thinking about?

And the most important question—will a new Airstream MH come with a Nest as a spare?

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The original Basecamp has a U-shaped galley in the front with a single propane burner on the right, a sink with 7 gallons of water on the left, and storage underneath the counter. The sides have facing 4-foot benches which can fold up for toy-hauling (like the Eddie Bauer) or slide together to make a 48"X72" double bed.

Spy photos show the new Basecamp to have a side door and a small rear door -- not the full-width double doors of the original. Perhaps the biggest change is that it is rumored to have a wetbath while the original has no toilet or shower.

As for it being another Bambi, not in my mind: the shape is quite different and the wraparound windows of the Basecamp set it apart from all other trailers. Besides being way cool from the outside, the full range of visibility from within keeps you intimately connected with where you are ..... which is great if you camp in the places we do.
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No doubt the Basecamp is distinctive. I guess what I should have said was a newer version of the Basecamp and a Bambi have about the same things inside. I'm not sure a new Basecamp will sell any better than the original. Will it steal sales from Bambi?

If Airstream is planning a new MH, a new Basecamp and a Nest, that is a lot for such a small company to do at the same time. Have they hired more engineers to plan this and determine how to start three new lines at the same time? They have a history of doing things on the cheap and the results of that have not gone well. The costs of starting production will be very large for a company that is relatively small. Thor will have to forgo the large profits Airstream brings them for a while.

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