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Old 05-10-2012, 09:12 PM   #57
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I have always chosen not to post to the many firearms topic threads, but I will respond to this post. At the top of the comments, in the blue bar there is a drop-down menu titled "Thread Tools." One of the choices is "Ignore This Thread." If you choose that, you will never even see this thread again. I have used it for threads I didn't care to follow in the past.

If this thread bothers you, choose that. Don't call for restrictions on others.

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On the plus side is...if we met at a campsite..you would never know if I did or did not have a gun on my person.

That's the first priority. Have a good time and don't worry.....

Life is short,....enjoy life and be comfortable doing so. This makes me comfortable.

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Why do I always hear the song "Freedom Isn't free" From Team America world police when these type of discussions pop up. Why here?
This is a forum for Airstreams. Can we please discuss Airstreams?
Next thing we will be discussing the evils of socialisim, same sex marriage, Women's reproductive rights, and religion.
I never thought I would read something like this here, feel the need to chime in. Can we agree to disagree, delete this forum and talk about our love of Airstreams?
All I know is that I don't have to pack heat while camping in Canada. Nuff Said.
Better reholster the potato peeler there, chef. Airstreams are as American as apple pie with a wedge of the Second Amendment on top.

Nuff said.
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Besides going back and forth on if it's correct to carry a gun or not; which comes down to a basic bicker match... Is there any more specific things the original poster would like to hear about that are more on the subject?
For instance:
"What kind of weapon would be best suited for a particular kind of protection? (i.e, Bear, Human, snake)
"What specific precautions do people take with their weapons?"
"What possible consequences are there if one is carrying unlawfully?"

These type of more specific questions might steer the conversation to more fertile pasture and allow people to address questions that are directly relevant to you (unless you are truly more interested in the gun control debate itself).
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Good to know there are plenty of responsible guns in the campground.

All the more reason to boondock in safer places, perhaps a Mexico border town.

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Good to know there are plenty of responsible guns in the campground.

All the more reason to boondock in safer places, perhaps a Mexico border town.

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The thing is....there are a lot more than you could imagine....

Boondocking..yes again choices...isn't America great!!

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Good thread

Nothing like a good gun thread to get the Canadians all excited. Of course they don't carry guns. Many of my Canadian friends have told me that they can't cross the border with them. You think they camp in Canada, haha!
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I have always chosen not to post to the many firearms topic threads, but I will respond to this post. At the top of the comments, in the blue bar there is a drop-down menu titled "Thread Tools." One of the choices is "Ignore This Thread." If you choose that, you will never even see this thread again. I have used it for threads I didn't care to follow in the past.

If this thread bothers you, choose that. Don't call for restrictions on others.
Thanks for that. It applies to lots of topics!
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Why do I always hear the song "Freedom Isn't free" From Team America world police.
All I know is that I don't have to pack heat while camping in Canada. Nuff Said.
I like that name...Team America World Police. Cool. We are what we are!

And, as posted many times in the past. You do not "have to pack heat" while camping in America either. Freedom of choice. That also is cool.

Ahhhh well, storms look like they have nearly passed thru, dogs have quit barking, maybe I can get a little sleep.
Good night Team Airstream, World Uniters ! (coolest of all, right?)
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Well... I never thought that I would get such a response. I truly appreciate all your thoughts on this difficult topic. The question is about your comfort in different locations - a remote site in a national or state forest - in a truck stop or rest area along the interstate - a parking lot like Walmart or other RV friendly lot. Is a gun the only way to feel safe? How about bear spray, knives, baseball clubs, etc. According to the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986, it permits the interstate transport of firearms in ALL states, with the provision that the weapon is unloaded, locked, and not in the driver/passenger part of the vehicle. More of your thoughts are valued. Keep them coming!!!!!!
The issue with any use of force option is always a matter of whether it escalates or deescalates the situation. Most police officer's tool belts include OC spray (bear spray), a baton (usually collapsable), and a firearm. Many choose to carry a knife. Many are now carrying conducted-energy weapons (Tasers).

When you can't carry all these things, it's easy to fall into the logic that if you have to carry one option, you'll want the one that trumps them all. But, there is a training-mentality that goes with having any tool or use-of-force option... it's not just having it available, it's having the mindset to be prepared to recognize a threat and react accordingly.

My own opinion and experience is that people need to be situationally aware. The example of someone being car-jacked, kidnapped, and robbed brings up two thoughts... how could a person be so unaware of their surroundings that they'd be a victim... and, if that person was so unaware, would a gun, bat, or whatever really have changed the outcome?

To be in a position to use a firearm defensively requires some very unique circumstances combined with situational awareness, and proficiency in use of the weapon. I'm sure sometimes these all come together and an example can be made for carrying a gun.

But, the trade off is having to live your life 'switched on' as I call it. It's how I have to live when I go to work. Every car I stop, house I go to, person I talk to... I am assessing the risk and running the options. It's tiring, mentally and physically. When I am done work, there is always a part of that following me around, but it has to be turned way down when I get home if I want to enjoy my time.

To bring this back to Airstreaming... if venturing out on the road gives you such fear that you can't enjoy it - whether you have a gun or not - what is the point?
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Nothing like a good gun thread to get the Canadians all excited. Of course they don't carry guns. Many of my Canadian friends have told me that they can't cross the border with them. You think they camp in Canada, haha!
The rules in Canada are very restrictive when it comes to hand-guns. To buy any firearm, we need a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) with extra requirements if the firearm is restricted or prohibited (mostly hand guns fall into this category). Long guns are restricted to a 5 shot capacity. No full auto.

The issue you describe is quite the opposite... it is Americans that can't bring pistols into Canada. Long guns can be transported if properly declared.

What an average Canadian may choose for a camp gun is a shotgun... in fact if you use the term 'camp gun', that is what people imagine... a cheap 12 gauge that is most often used for wildlife (bear) encounters. Not exactly something that is easily concealed. Easy to operate, resistant to damage and still works well when rusty...

It is rare for a Canadian police officer to have to draw their sidearm... rarer still to discharge it (at a person)... every single police shooting is national news, and every police officer killed in the line of duty brings 1000's of police from across the country. It's a big deal. Likewise, when a person decides to use a firearm to commit an offence - it's a big deal... they will be the focus of 100% of any and every resource until they are in jail.

This systems works for us... very well. Knock it if you want, and make all the 'dumb Canadian' jokes you like... but I don't think many in Canada want it any other way...
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QUOTE: "The example of someone being car-jacked, kidnapped, and robbed brings up two thoughts... how could a person be so unaware of their surroundings that they'd be a victim... and, if that person was so unaware, would a gun, bat, or whatever really have changed the outcome?"

This could certainly be said for many situations I'm sure, BUT there are also situations that arise suddenly and without warning, situations that may take even the most prepared and diligent person by surprise. That person may or may not have to tool to deal with the situation.
Any weapon is just that, a tool to deal with a problem, either you possess the tool when you need it, or you do your best to never need it. The last post brought up tasers, which might be a good alternative if you (original poster) are not comfortable carrying a gun. They are certainly effective.
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This systems works for us... very well. Knock it if you want, and make all the 'dumb Canadian' jokes you like... but I don't think many in Canada want it any other way...

Woo-hoo Constable Friday, the mounties always get their man.....and make their point! I could kiss you for that~!


However, I don't know about that system always working. Am thinking of the situation here in the Fraser Valley not too long ago where the gangs were shooting it out in front of the local Safeway at high noon. How can Joe/Jane Public be "situationally aware" in cases like that (aside from avoiding every parking lot with a high number of luxury sport sedans being driven by S. Asian/Asian males?)

Those automatic weapons may be illegal, but the gangs seem to have no problem obtaining them.
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If more people were aware of the fine line available at Natural Protection Products, this would be a moot point. Sorry guys I couldn't help myself.
See the "Camping in Bear Country" thread. But seriously,
BTW this can be a never ending discussion. Rather than worry about all of the local laws I would rather just carry something like pepper spray.
This discussion seems to be turning into a tuturioal on gun laws and rights in the US and not about how safe a gun would actually make you. Lots of people like to enjoy their camping with some alcohol so how does this fit into the equasion. Not very well im afraid.
I'm not going to carry a gun because on some levels it changes my expectations of what I want to get out of a camping trip. I guess if I have to take a gun to be safe I won't go.
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