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Old 08-01-2012, 02:37 PM   #281
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Doug, you reposted his private response to you, that makes it open for discussion. As was said all his concerns and others have been addressed by actual users in the 20 pages of this thread for anyone that wishes to take the time to read them.
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It still amazes me that the only negative comments about the Andersen WD hitch system continue to come from people that have zero actual experience with the hitch.
Or more than likely Sell the competition.

I said early in this tread that the Andersen will be a "Ha Ha" killer and little has been presented to change that.

For those that don't recognize "Ha Ha" that is slang for Hensley
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Doug, you reposted his private response to you, that makes it open for discussion. As was said all his concerns and others have been addressed by actual users in the 20 pages of this thread for anyone that wishes to take the time to read them.
It wasn't my message (I like the Andersen concept), I'm simply stating Andy is not publicly taking a stand on something he hasn't tried, just his impression to a personal message.

He is quite thorough in his responses here and we would look forward to his testing the Andersen and recommendations on it.

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Doug, I do look forward to all honest reviews of the Andersen system.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:15 PM   #285
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I tried to read all 20 pages but gave up at 15(fell asleep LOL). I think like awchief and others, lets hear from owners/users and their reviews.
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Roger, If you reread the origional #1 post that is exactly what this thread was supposed to be about, but you know how that goes here. You ask for an input from actual users on any subject and ¾ of the responses are from people giving their uninformed personal opinions. Sometime that is based on other experience and sometimes they may have another agenda. With a few exceptions this is still one of the most civil forums on the internet.
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Roger, If you reread the origional #1 post that is exactly what this thread was supposed to be about, but you know how that goes here. You ask for an input from actual users on any subject and ¾ of the responses are from people giving their uninformed personal opinions. Sometime that is based on other experience and sometimes they may have another agenda. With a few exceptions this is still one of the most civil forums on the internet.
Yep, thats what I was hoping to read, actual user experiences, and after 15 pages(yawn) I decided to go to the last page, maybe someone will chime in now with real towing experiences. I agree, this is still the best, civil, and most helpful forum around.
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Roger, I don't have the links with me but there are several other discussions going on around the internet about the Andersen system. Most of them have ended up just like this one. Google will get you to them.
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Roger, If you reread the origional #1 post that is exactly what this thread was supposed to be about, but you know how that goes here. You ask for an input from actual users on any subject and ¾ of the responses are from people giving their uninformed personal opinions. Sometime that is based on other experience and sometimes they may have another agenda. With a few exceptions this is still one of the most civil forums on the internet.
Maybe someone needs to start another thread, where people can post what they heard in the bar last night from a guy whose wife's cousin's brother-in-law's neighbor saw a guy using one once.

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Ah, another lively discussion. I hope someone does not tell my Andersen that it is not working so it leaves me in a V shape out here on the road home after 2500 miles... lol.

The chains don't stretch. There is a polyurethane bushing which takes up the movement of bumps and flex. The weight is transferred well and I hope to be able to show that with actual scale numbers, but have been out using it for the past two weeks.

The couplers are not weak in one direction and strong in another. In a "normal" hitch situation, anytime you apply the TV brakes without the trailer brakes (very common in utility trailers, and horse trailers without brake hookups.. stupid, but common) the trailer pushes into the TV. When you are going downhill the trailer pushes into the TV. The coupler is not unidirectional. It takes stress from all directions just fine. I am not concerned with coupler failure. The total hitch weight is on the ball anyway. It is not going to come off. Even if there were failure the loss would be of the WD properties, not falling off the ball. The system would simply revert to a weight carrying situation.

Some have recently asked for "user experience" and it is here in this long thread already. You may have to read through a lot of posts. However, many user experiences are already posted, including mine as well as at least 4 other actual users. All are favorable I might add. I have yet to see a negative post of any consequence, by any actual user.
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I said early in this tread that the Andersen will be a "Ha Ha" killer and little has been presented to change that.

That's because you don't understand the design differences between that hitch type [VPP types, or PULLRITE] and the second tier, of which ANDERSEN is one. The only "killer" is of the friction bar type . . and of that, hopefully for good and forever.

And the same for numbers not in evidence (scale values) for these hitches. There is no User Thread except the posts which show us the hitch in question can do the job via formula. It's pleasing to see a cheap lightweight hitch of a new & simple design generate positive comments. But commentary is nothing without numbers to back it.

A nice lightweight TT and small or medium TV, thus far the Andersen looks good with the little we've seen. But where are the numbers for a heavy TV & heavy TT? Where is the restoration of FA laden/unhitched value and TW distributed to TT axles as has been explored with every other hitch type both here and at RV.net?

As to the opinion of Andrew T, have any of the rest of you set up 1/100th the number of trailers as have he and that dealership?

Expressions of concern about how a hitch may wear -- and they all show wear eventually -- is not the same as "it won't work" except in part. This hitch may not last as long as other types. Which would be true of any new design first on the market. How it may show wear is what will be in question for a while as user experience accummulates. Not just "can it do the job"? Thus the need for numbers . .the usual baseline in reality.

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I think it would be interesting to hear what Anderson users were using before they purchased the Anderson, and comparisons. Not trying to start arguments, just interesting to hear.
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I think it would be interesting to hear what Anderson users were using before they purchased the Anderson, and comparisons. Not trying to start arguments, just interesting to hear.
As I have said before, I have never used any other brand WD hitch. I base all my opinions of real world use of the Andersen WD hitch.

And to the other number cruncher: I don't need any stinking numbers to prove to me that it works as advertised. The proof is in the ride quality as far as I am concerned. If you keep insisting on having numbers why don't you put up your own cash and do it yourself instead of insisting that others do the work for you.
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I think it would be interesting to hear what Anderson users were using before they purchased the Anderson, and comparisons. Not trying to start arguments, just interesting to hear.
I used a Hensley for three years. Loved it, it worked great and if it had not broken would still be towing with it. I now have well over 1500 miles on the Andersen and can tell no difference towing from the Hensley. Miles are from FL to PA on all kinds of roads. Flat and mountains if you can call them that. My trailer stuck to me like it was glued on. My wife drove with no white knuckles.
I even had a flat tire.
I posted scale numbers Red, close enough for me.
I have another 1500 miles or so before I get back home and will post more later if I need to.
In the mean time, I am very happy with the Andersen. But please, if you have any apprehension about buying a hitch, buy what you are comfortable with. PP's and Hensley's are great. As are a host of other hitches.
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