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Old 12-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #57
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The 4K up sell on the $4,500 upgrade to the diesel would certainly put me off from buying one. Even lightly used the price delta would still be $6-8k. I'm assuming they are doing that because they have a limited supply of the diesel motor available and that $4k lux package is almost pure profit.

The problem with the V8 gas is that in reality towing our 24' Argosy the mpg won't be significantly better than our V6 GMC Safari van. The problem with the V6 is that it's as gutless as Fluffy (our van) when trying to pull mtn passes and in reality my experience is that when towing there is almost zero difference in mileage because smaller V6 is working so hard. In fact when we towed with a V8 Tahoe we got better gas mileage with our van when towing even though rated City/Hwy mpg was lower.

At least they are bringing in a diesel so hopefully as production cranks up the price will come down. Diesel is more expensive now because the US is so slow to change refinery capacity. That in turn keeps auto makers from wanting to qualify a diesel for the US market; especially California which has a stick up it's butt with regard to diesel emissions standards.
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Old 12-07-2013, 03:42 PM   #58
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Toyota Highlander V6. I believe it has a 5000# tow rating. Its a Toyota so its super reliable. Moreover, the tow rating is SAE certified.
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In my head I feel like Hondas, Toyotas, and other quality foreign makes are good up to 200k miles or more, but that US makes like Jeep are probably only good up to 120k or so before they start giving you trouble. If you were looking at a used vehicle for towing, how many miles is too many miles? If you were looking at a Jepp GC with 80k, would you figure it was too high? I don't want to buy someone else's problems, but I can't afford to buy new.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:29 PM   #60
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Remember that most foreign makes aren't necessarily foreign made - they roll of production lines in the US and Canada.
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:52 PM   #61
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But my assumption (maybe wrong) is still that they have higher quality than the US brands.

Just found a nice used Jeep Cherokee to look at and it's RWD! I had no idea Jeep built anything that wasn't 4wd. I really want something that can handle snow when necessary, or pull the trailer out of a muddy spot if it needs to, so I'm still looking.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:03 PM   #62
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Remember that most foreign makes aren't necessarily foreign made - they roll of production lines in the US and Canada.
This is correct, however, there are other factors in play. Many of the (critical) parts for these vehicles are shipped from the country of origin (If I am not mistaken, Benz GL's diesel engine comes from Berlin to Alabama for assembly). Also, the R&D process, testing, etc. also mostly happens in the country of origin -- this tend to be a more critical factor than the assembly location.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:26 PM   #63
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But my assumption (maybe wrong) is still that they have higher quality than the US brands.

Just found a nice used Jeep Cherokee to look at and it's RWD! I had no idea Jeep built anything that wasn't 4wd. I really want something that can handle snow when necessary, or pull the trailer out of a muddy spot if it needs to, so I'm still looking.
Ah, you found a Texas Special. Here in no-snow country that's a popular vehicle for dealers to stock, because they can sell it cheaper and the mileage on the sticker is a little higher. They regret the choice at times like this (North TX has been coated in ice since Friday!) I have a 2WD pickup... even if it weren't in the shop at the moment, I'd still be driving my AWD Subaru that deals really well with this even with all-season tires.

I have a couple of friends who live in a building with a parking garage and love their RWD performance cars with summer tires... except right now. And they're ER doctors who have to go to work anyway. They've been having some trouble with the icy driveway from the garage door to the street, esp. since there's a pronounced gutter to catch the front tires while the rear summer tires spin uselessly on ice.
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We got a dusting of snow/ice on Friday, but it all cleared up enough this weekend to get out in the FWD car and do some car shopping. One of my complaints about the RWD van is that it doesn't have a locking diff so if it gets one wheel in the mud, it's stuck! Which is why I think 4wd or at least AWD would be a really nice feature on the next tow vehicle, even though I don't plan to take the trailer out in snow or anything. Here in the NW the snow is usually brief, but it would be nice to have the ability to go over mtn passes or go up and play in the snow in the higher elevations, which is kind of a three-season thing.
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I know a Dodge Ram turbodiesel guy with 1.2 million miles on his Ram. He put an injector pump on it at about 850,000 miles, and a new fuel pump at around a million. Other than that, change the oil, pour in the kerosene, and keep on driving.

I drive a Ram turbodiesel as well. I know it's a bigger vehicle than what you want, but it's given me no trouble of any kind whatsoever. I get 12-15mpg towing a 34' 10,000lb triple axle, and 20mpg plus running solo.

I have a Chevy Cruze Eco for my work beater. I've gotten as high as 51mpg with it, and average about 41 or so on the highway with it.

Anyway, I think it's a myth about the better quality of foreign cars. Maybe once upon a time, but the American brands have had to do better to be competitive.

That being said, my first car was a '72 Dodge Polara that had over 276,000 miles on it before the thrust bearing finally went out of the engine and I had to park it. If you take decent care of it, most any of them will last.

For your little trailer, and what you say you like, I'd say get yourself a new Mustang GT and never look back
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